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Topic # 135070 13-Nov-2013 14:30
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Not long ago, we finished building a new house and before the GIB had been installed, we installed our own fibre cable from the boundry, to where it terminates inside the house. UFB has just become live in our area and we just started talking to SNAP / Enable.

We have been told that they can't legally use any other cable than their own.

Is this true?

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  Reply # 933148 13-Nov-2013 14:42
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Did you have ducting installed with this fibre?
Hopefully they could pull their own fibre through it if you did.

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  Reply # 933161 13-Nov-2013 14:50
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Yeah, just get them to pull it through the ducting you put in.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 933162 13-Nov-2013 14:50
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It sounds right to me. Since the LFC "owns" everything from the handover to the RSP up to and including the ONT they install in your house.

If the fibre was faulty, or caused issues back into the GPON network from incorrect reflection who would be responsible for sorting it.

There are very clear specifications from CFH (or so I believe) of the size and type and bends required for the ducting to be installed plus a drawstring to be installed into the duct to allow the main fibre conduit to be pulled through.

If I were a LFC I know I wouldn't support customer owned fibre, as it would be a nightmare to support.

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  Reply # 933212 13-Nov-2013 15:14
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What sort of fibre did you install?

IMHO it was a waste of time doing that - it however can be used as a draw wire if you've got correctly installed conduit.


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  Reply # 933271 13-Nov-2013 16:08
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sbiddle: What sort of fibre did you install?

IMHO it was a waste of time doing that - it however can be used as a draw wire if you've got correctly installed conduit.



Thats an expensive draw wire! But these guys are right.
We (Chorus) also have tight fibre specifications to meet.
fibre does not necessarily = fibre,



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  Reply # 935081 17-Nov-2013 01:33
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sbiddle: What sort of fibre did you install? 



We paid a registered company to put in high quality Cables ie. Cat 6a, HDMI around the house and fibre from house to boundry.

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  Reply # 935086 17-Nov-2013 06:08
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KiwisOnLand:
sbiddle: What sort of fibre did you install? 



We paid a registered company to put in high quality Cables ie. Cat 6a, HDMI around the house and fibre from house to boundry.


But from the sounds of it you didn't talk to the LFC and ask them what they needed.

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  Reply # 935093 17-Nov-2013 07:38
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KiwisOnLand: Not long ago, we finished building a new house and before the GIB had been installed, we installed our own fibre cable from the boundry, to where it terminates inside the house. UFB has just become live in our area and we just started talking to SNAP / Enable.

We have been told that they can't legally use any other cable than their own.

Is this true?


Its not that they cant legaly use your cable - the simple answer is that they wont because

1. Its not their cable, their cable is of a specific type, made to the Specs they require in their network (as they Own , operate and maintain the fibre network)

2. If you are in a blown fibre area then a microtube has to be installed from the communial network to the side of the house - so a blown fibre can be installed ( haveing you own cable is no good for this)

3. If you are in a fixed fibre area then a fibre cable is installed from the fibre terminal (which could be up 100m away from your house down the road) through the ducting and up to the side of the house (haveing your own cable to the street wouldnt get to where it needs to go)

- both types of fibre cable are then transitioned (spliced) into an internal speced cable (which again belongs to the LFC) which is run through the house to their ONT 


You commented about a registered company - registered with whom? registered for what?  - If they arent registered with the LFC to run their cables then they shouldnt have done so for you










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  Reply # 935132 17-Nov-2013 10:37
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Are Chorus generally happy to utalise a home owner installed conduit, provided it has been installed to the correct specs?




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  Reply # 936875 18-Nov-2013 19:34
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DarthKermit: Are Chorus generally happy to utalise a home owner installed conduit, provided it has been installed to the correct specs?


Conduit yes, specs are on their website under "Installing lead-ins - information for installers" there are two pdfs one for rural and one for urban:
http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre

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  Reply # 937443 19-Nov-2013 17:27
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Ragnor:
DarthKermit: Are Chorus generally happy to utalise a home owner installed conduit, provided it has been installed to the correct specs?


Conduit yes, specs are on their website under "Installing lead-ins - information for installers" there are two pdfs one for rural and one for urban:
http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre


Indeed. I'm going to install my own conduit from the front fence for a future maybe one day UFB connection.




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  Reply # 937452 19-Nov-2013 17:45
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I am wondering what the advantage of paying to get someone else to install it was, if normally it is free to get it installed anyway. I would contact the company you paid about it as to why what they installed isn't suitable.



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  Reply # 937563 19-Nov-2013 21:29
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mattwnz: I am wondering what the advantage of paying to get someone else to install it was, if normally it is free to get it installed anyway.


I was thinking by doing that we could save time.
And so we could make sure the fibre is terminated how and where we want it.

mattwnz: I would contact the company you paid about it as to why what they installed isn't suitable.


I have contacted them and they are sorting things out with enable. It seems like Enable didn't have a problem with using the owners cable a few mounths ago but in the last few weeks they have changed their mind and came up with the story that its illegal to use anything but theirs.

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  Reply # 937573 19-Nov-2013 21:52
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Yea the moral of the story is - always run conduit that meets the specs with draw wire. You could run the conduit to the ETP on the house from the boundary and run a conduit internally from there to your comms cabinet. Wish we had done that - we have cat5e from ETP to comms cabinet but really want to put the ONT in the comms cabinet.





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  Reply # 937669 20-Nov-2013 07:38
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KiwisOnLand:
mattwnz: I am wondering what the advantage of paying to get someone else to install it was, if normally it is free to get it installed anyway.


I was thinking by doing that we could save time.
And so we could make sure the fibre is terminated how and where we want it.

mattwnz: I would contact the company you paid about it as to why what they installed isn't suitable.


I have contacted them and they are sorting things out with enable. It seems like Enable didn't have a problem with using the owners cable a few mounths ago but in the last few weeks they have changed their mind and came up with the story that its illegal to use anything but theirs.


IMHO you've ever requested or sold something that was completely unnecessary, possibly because either you or the company who has done the work doesn't understand the bigger picture or the technical requirements.

Providing you had approved conduit in place blowing the fibre would have literally taken minutes so there were no time or cost savings by doing this yourself, even if running your own fibre was an approved scenario.


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