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Topic # 13540 16-May-2007 13:50
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Reply # 70873 16-May-2007 14:59
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Ssshuuurely not!

You can trust Guvmint to check their sums - they pay thousands of analyst comrades down in Helengrad to be geniuses.

And the honourable public servant would never spin statistics

You are a naughty boy. Please beat yourself.

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...but the whole exercise has been exposed by Australian research company Market Clarity as unsound because of inaccurate and non-comparable source data

"America and New Zealand certainly have cause to complain," Evans said. "We can see no reason why eight million American broadband subscribers recorded by the FCC and published in a downloadable spreadsheet appear to have been overlooked in the OECD's table. Likewise, 65,000 broadband customer connections in New Zealand seem to be missing from the OECD's calculations."

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  Reply # 70894 16-May-2007 17:45
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Drop the nuke.... forget about the fallout!




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Reply # 70920 16-May-2007 21:22
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Classic..... you're fogretting the line "Never let the detail get in the way of the sale"
Has anyone sent a copy of the article to TUANZ or are they now trying to create a new spin to spin the spin.


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Reply # 70960 17-May-2007 09:26
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I had always wondered about the accuracy of the OECD figures. This sort of throws a spanner in the works because Cunliffe and co have used our standing in the OECD as the main reason for LLU and carving up Telecom. It is also interesting that we do not (or are not permitted to) include numbers for mobile broadband. From memory Czechoslovakia is only country that counts 'mobile' because most of their broadband is supplied using EVDO 450MHz.

And to thing the number one aim of Labours digital strategy is to have NZ placed in the upper quartile of the OECD. You now have wonder where exactly we are currently placed. Sounds like a 'whoops' to me.




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Reply # 70963 17-May-2007 09:49
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How about a sweepstake on whether the the mainstream media will pick this up and run with it i.e. the Royal New Zeland Herald, ComputerWorld etc?


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Reply # 70971 17-May-2007 10:20
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on2it:

How about a sweepstake on whether the the mainstream media will pick this up and run with it i.e. the Royal New Zeland Herald, ComputerWorld etc?



No need for a sweepstake, they will no doubt. I was told that they use "leads" from other sites.

Fact is, being OT, that even though we serve 600k people/month, not many New Zealanders go out of their way to read "tech" sites and go through forums. Not many know what's RSS feeds and obviously a lot will wait for things to show up on MSM, even if it's a week late.

I've seen some move on MSM, mainly with blogs being created and other changes to make it "faster". If you want people to know about this little site, the best thing to do is to tell them.

Back to the normal programme.





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  Reply # 70972 17-May-2007 10:25
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Telecommunications media has been talking about this report coming out for a while. However it appears to introduce as many problems/errors as it tries to solve. e.g. it says 59.4% of NZ connections have a speed of less than 256 kb/s, and 40.6% between 256kb/s and 512 kb/s. Huh?



EDIT: should add source: Market Clarity report, figure 4




 



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  Reply # 70973 17-May-2007 10:27
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freitasm:
on2it:

How about a sweepstake on whether the the mainstream media will pick this up and run with it i.e. the Royal New Zeland Herald, ComputerWorld etc?



No need for a sweepstake, they will no doubt. I was told that they use "leads" from other sites.

Fact is, being OT, that even though we serve 600k people/month, not many New Zealanders go out of their way to read "tech" sites and go through forums. Not many know what's RSS feeds and obviously a lot will wait for things to show up on MSM, even if it's a week late.

I've seen some move on MSM, mainly with blogs being created and other changes to make it "faster". If you want people to know about this little site, the best thing to do is to tell them.

Back to the normal programme.



Well, no doubt they will see it, but whether they actually run with it is another matter. After all, Telecom getting a good spanking is far more news-worthy than the possibility that Telecom was hard done by.

Who in the general public wants to read about that? And more importantly, who would really care?  The general feeling will still be that Telecom is getting all it deserves, and it's still not enough!




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  Reply # 70975 17-May-2007 10:30
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BiggusDoggus: Who in the general public wants to read about that? And more importantly, who would really care?  


Exactly. Politicians use this kind of information as a platform. News media use OECD rankings as a platform as in "New Zealand is doing badly". We all know that bad news sells a lot more - and get more votes. Even if John Doe has no clue that OECD is not more than a lobbying thing...

Every evening we hear "OECD" in the news. It's like it's more important than the government and the country itself...





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  Reply # 70977 17-May-2007 10:36
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freitasm:
BiggusDoggus: Who in the general public wants to read about that? And more importantly, who would really care?


Exactly. Politicians use this kind of information as a platform. News media use OECD rankings as a platform as in "New Zealand is doing badly". We all know that bad news sells a lot more - and get more votes. Even if John Doe has no clue that OECD is not more than a lobbying thing...

Every evening we hear "OECD" in the news. It's like it's more important than the government and the country itself...



Isn't the MED's motivation behind the whole unbundling and Telecom separation thing to get us up the OECD rankings? And if those rankings are flawed then that could be embarrassing at best, or cause a lot of taxpayers' money to be wasted through unnecessary regulation at worst.




 



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  Reply # 70979 17-May-2007 11:03
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TinyTim:
freitasm:
BiggusDoggus: Who in the general public wants to read about that? And more importantly, who would really care?


Exactly. Politicians use this kind of information as a platform. News media use OECD rankings as a platform as in "New Zealand is doing badly". We all know that bad news sells a lot more - and get more votes. Even if John Doe has no clue that OECD is not more than a lobbying thing...

Every evening we hear "OECD" in the news. It's like it's more important than the government and the country itself...





Isn't the MED's motivation behind the whole unbundling and Telecom separation thing to get us up the OECD rankings? And if those rankings are flawed then that could be embarrassing at best, or cause a lot of taxpayers' money to be wasted through unnecessary regulation at worst.


It would only be embarrassing if

a) The public knew
b) The public understood
c) The public cared




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Reply # 70980 17-May-2007 11:22
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.... e.g. it says 59.4% of NZ connections have a speed of less than 256 kb/s, and 40.6% between 256kb/s and 512 kb/s. Huh?

EDIT: should add source: Market Clarity report, figure 4


That would be during peak hours ;)



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Reply # 70990 17-May-2007 12:58
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So what if "dodgy stats" are used to change the business case for further investment in fibre?

Who's got a lazy billion or two so the polies can regulate pricing and change their mind on the whim of an opinion poll?

Telstra?
Voda?
Telecom?
Cardy-wearing councillors?
You?
Me?
guvmint?
actually that's you and me as well.

5Mbs to 90% of households

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  Reply # 71007 17-May-2007 13:43
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OECD hits back at broadband stats inaccuracy claims


In a letter to iTWire, OECD economist, Taylor Reynolds, has responded to claims by research firm Market Clarity that the OECD's regular reports comparing broadband uptake in member nations are based on inaccurate source data. According to the OECD, Market Clarity's report "has serious methodological and factual errors".
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All in all, pretty scathing of Market Clarity.




 

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Reply # 71011 17-May-2007 14:21
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Fair enough then.

Hey how about just renationalising the telco network?

Trot out the socialist's favourite reason for interfering and blame market 'failure'

Just $10 bucks a month (but forget about personal tax cuts)

Then we can all sit back and enjoy boundless high quality bandwidth

just like the long list of other state monopoly success stories

health

education

power

breast cancer treatment

actually any medicine that wasn't invented in the 1970's and is now off-patent and made in India

auckland roads

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