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Topic # 13662 22-May-2007 14:48
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Does every ISP in NZ charge for uploads?

For those who do (if it isn't everyone), why do they charge for uploads? Does Telecom charge the ISP's? Are they trying to discourage P2P?

I've moved here from Melbourne and while there isn't ADSL2 like I had in Melbourne (and I don't mind that much), I never got charged for uploading?

I'm sure there are reasons, but I don't know them!

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  Reply # 71705 22-May-2007 15:08
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Its pretty much a user pays system. Doesnt matter if traffic is in or out - at some stage, someone has to pay for it.

Id rather see big uploaders pay their own way, than be subsidised by downloaders...









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  Reply # 71707 22-May-2007 15:12
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OK.

Then why is FS uploading much more expensive then 128K uploading?

If were paying for both ways anyway, there shouldn't be a reason why every full speed connection is FS/FS....

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  Reply # 71734 22-May-2007 18:55
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As you all know, internet in this country is high cost, low service, well most of the time anyway.




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  Reply # 71741 22-May-2007 19:08
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pantsless: OK.

Then why is FS uploading much more expensive then 128K uploading?

If were paying for both ways anyway, there shouldn't be a reason why every full speed connection is FS/FS....


It costs Telecom lots of money to supply FS/FS... i.e. all that lost toll call revenue!! Yes, things like Skype & VOIP etc work much better over a full speed up-link. That is why we are stuck with slack broadband, there is no need for it, as it doesn't cost Telecom anymore to flick the full speed switch, and as said, you are paying for your uploads anyway.




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  Reply # 71743 22-May-2007 19:21
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coffeebaron:
pantsless: OK.

Then why is FS uploading much more expensive then 128K uploading?

If were paying for both ways anyway, there shouldn't be a reason why every full speed connection is FS/FS....


It costs Telecom lots of money to supply FS/FS... i.e. all that lost toll call revenue!! Yes, things like Skype & VOIP etc work much better over a full speed up-link. That is why we are stuck with slack broadband, there is no need for it, as it doesn't cost Telecom anymore to flick the full speed switch, and as said, you are paying for your uploads anyway.

This is no different to a software supplier giving you a disk (or download) with their full version, and only supplying you a licence to unlock some of the functionality. Pay for a higher licence, get more functionality. Cost of distribution is the same regardless of whether you are a 'lite' or a 'pro' user.









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  Reply # 71856 23-May-2007 11:29
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But surely having FS uploading for everyone would be better for ISP's, as your ability to upload more data in the same billing period would be  greater than if it were limited to 128K? ISP's would make more money???





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  Reply # 71906 23-May-2007 14:55
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Two things:

1) It's Telecom, not ISPs that are restricting upload speeds (by charging insane amounts for the privilege).
2) There's no reason that upload should be restricted because it doesn't cost anyone anymore (as far as i'm aware) as I believe virtually all national and international links are purchased as fully synchronous connections (ie; same speed up as down) so there's a whole lot of upload bandwidth that is completely unutilised!!


I have high hopes that UBS regulation will reduce the price of FS/FS dramatically (as opposed to FS/128).  I mean, really, $30 per month more just for full speed upload!!??  Please!

I agree with the previous poster who said that it's because telecom don't want competition on the VOIP front!  I'll bet you box of jam tarts that as soon as telecom release their VOIP product that FS upload connections will suddenly become a lot cheaper!!

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  Reply # 71920 23-May-2007 16:42
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Fully synchronous? Think you mean full duplex.

There are spectrum management issues with moving all the 128/FS customers to FS/FS. There are quite detailed documents discussing these sorts of spectrum management issues on the TCF website.

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