Auckland apartment as own UFB zone?

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#138445 4-Jan-2014 16:49

I was looking at UFB deployment in Auckland central, noticed the apartment I'm looking at has its own zone on Chorus's maps along with different eta compared to places on the same block. Then I also noticed it seems to be the case for a few buildings.

Is the dedicated zone just for planning purposes and dates or is a there more technical reason like a cabinet just for the building? FYI the building has around 75 apartments.

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#961178 4-Jan-2014 17:05

Lots of buildings have their own node.

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#961180 4-Jan-2014 17:20

Though that may have been the case. I'm use to suburbs where a single node serves a large area vs a single building.

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#961225 4-Jan-2014 18:52

I enquired about an apartment in wellington which was in the same situation.

I hope ChorusVan doesn't mind me posting the information they gave me via PM, but it should apply to your situation too and is a good description of the process:

Chorus has completed UFB reticulation to the boundary of the property. Hence "Available" on the map.

As this is a multi-dwelling unit, there is no connectivity to the apartment as no in-building "common cabling" for UFB has been built.

If you want to purchase UFB your ISP need to do a MANUAL pre-qual which will confirm availability for you.
Secondly they need to place an order for service for you which will kick off the build process for the in-building "common cable".

a. We will confirm that the owner/s have provided consent for this work to occur (if consent has not been provided we will request this).
(Note: If this building has a body corporate then this request will go to the BC, so you can speed things up by chasing the BC and getting the owner/s to provide access & build consent).

b. Chorus will visit the building and scope out the work required build the "common cabling" to get fibre to each apartment.

c. The scope of works will be discussed with the owners to confirm they are happy for the work to proceed (e.g. if there are no internal cable risers available we may have to take the fibre up the outside of the building, cut holes in the floors, etc.).

d. The "common wiring" build will proceed and once completed will kick off the provisioning process.

e. The provisioning team will visit your apartment and install your UFB service.

This process can take as little as 3 months or can take longer than 12 months - depending on the co-operation of the owners, the scope of the work to be done, the ease with which we can access cable risers etc.

So as soon as one person orders UFB, then the process will get a lot easier for everyone else. Someone has to pull the trigger first though!

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#961234 4-Jan-2014 19:04

eXDee: I enquired about an apartment in wellington which was in the same situation.

I hope ChorusVan doesn't mind me posting the information they gave me via PM, but it should apply to your situation too and is a good description of the process:
Chorus has completed UFB reticulation to the boundary of the property. Hence "Available" on the map.

As this is a multi-dwelling unit, there is no connectivity to the apartment as no in-building "common cabling" for UFB has been built.

If you want to purchase UFB your ISP need to do a MANUAL pre-qual which will confirm availability for you.
Secondly they need to place an order for service for you which will kick off the build process for the in-building "common cable".

a. We will confirm that the owner/s have provided consent for this work to occur (if consent has not been provided we will request this).
(Note: If this building has a body corporate then this request will go to the BC, so you can speed things up by chasing the BC and getting the owner/s to provide access & build consent).

b. Chorus will visit the building and scope out the work required build the "common cabling" to get fibre to each apartment.

c. The scope of works will be discussed with the owners to confirm they are happy for the work to proceed (e.g. if there are no internal cable risers available we may have to take the fibre up the outside of the building, cut holes in the floors, etc.).

d. The "common wiring" build will proceed and once completed will kick off the provisioning process.

e. The provisioning team will visit your apartment and install your UFB service.

This process can take as little as 3 months or can take longer than 12 months - depending on the co-operation of the owners, the scope of the work to be done, the ease with which we can access cable risers etc.

So as soon as one person orders UFB, then the process will get a lot easier for everyone else. Someone has to pull the trigger first though!

Thanks for that. I was wondering how it was all going to work.
Considering the building isn't scheduled to have UFB until May this year I doubt I'll be able to get any connection soon. Oh well guess I'll make do with copper, ironic the push for UFB by the government and yet you can't even access it yet in places of Auckland CBD but freely available in places of Nelson.

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#961251 4-Jan-2014 19:34

It's worth remembering that you'll also be paying for your install for any building higher than 3 stories. Price is going to depend on the building but remember an average residential install is costing upwards of $2000 and some figures of $1000 for a typical apartment install have been talked about in the industry. An install in an apartment building can easily be more complex than a standard residential install depending on the work required as fibre needs to be installed to your apartment, copper can't be used internally.

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#961259 4-Jan-2014 19:56

sbiddle: It's worth remembering that you'll also be paying for your install for any building higher than 3 stories. Price is going to depend on the building but remember an average residential install is costing upwards of $2000 and some figures of $1000 for a typical apartment install have been talked about in the industry. An install in an apartment building can easily be more complex than a standard residential install depending on the work required as fibre needs to be installed to your apartment, copper can't be used internally.

So I assume if the building is higher than 3 stories everyone even under 3rd have to pay for the install? We will be on the 3rd floor of a 8 story building. Its beginning to look like fibre isn't going to be a feasible option.

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#961283 4-Jan-2014 21:08

Nate001:
sbiddle: It's worth remembering that you'll also be paying for your install for any building higher than 3 stories. Price is going to depend on the building but remember an average residential install is costing upwards of $2000 and some figures of $1000 for a typical apartment install have been talked about in the industry. An install in an apartment building can easily be more complex than a standard residential install depending on the work required as fibre needs to be installed to your apartment, copper can't be used internally.

So I assume if the building is higher than 3 stories everyone even under 3rd have to pay for the install? We will be on the 3rd floor of a 8 story building. Its beginning to look like fibre isn't going to be a feasible option.

It depends what you determine as "feasible". To run fibre past an urban dwelling is ~$3000 and then ~$1500 for an install, both of which are heavily subsidised when you pay nothing as an end user. MUDs aren't covered by the current free install policy because the install costs could easily exceed that significantly, until work has been done to establish the feasibility then it's an unknown cost.

And yes everybody will have to pay for an install because every apartment will require individual fibre run from the basement/comms room to their apartment.

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#961998 6-Jan-2014 16:47

sbiddle:
Nate001:
sbiddle: It's worth remembering that you'll also be paying for your install for any building higher than 3 stories. Price is going to depend on the building but remember an average residential install is costing upwards of $2000 and some figures of $1000 for a typical apartment install have been talked about in the industry. An install in an apartment building can easily be more complex than a standard residential install depending on the work required as fibre needs to be installed to your apartment, copper can't be used internally.

So I assume if the building is higher than 3 stories everyone even under 3rd have to pay for the install? We will be on the 3rd floor of a 8 story building. Its beginning to look like fibre isn't going to be a feasible option.

It depends what you determine as "feasible". To run fibre past an urban dwelling is ~$3000 and then ~$1500 for an install, both of which are heavily subsidised when you pay nothing as an end user. MUDs aren't covered by the current free install policy because the install costs could easily exceed that significantly, until work has been done to establish the feasibility then it's an unknown cost.

And yes everybody will have to pay for an install because every apartment will require individual fibre run from the basement/comms room to their apartment.

Note - this is true in terms of obligation of the LFC however currently Chorus is not charging for MDU installs regardless of the size unless there are unushal circumstances.

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#962071 6-Jan-2014 19:15

matt45:
sbiddle:
Nate001:
sbiddle: It's worth remembering that you'll also be paying for your install for any building higher than 3 stories. Price is going to depend on the building but remember an average residential install is costing upwards of $2000 and some figures of $1000 for a typical apartment install have been talked about in the industry. An install in an apartment building can easily be more complex than a standard residential install depending on the work required as fibre needs to be installed to your apartment, copper can't be used internally.

So I assume if the building is higher than 3 stories everyone even under 3rd have to pay for the install? We will be on the 3rd floor of a 8 story building. Its beginning to look like fibre isn't going to be a feasible option.

It depends what you determine as "feasible". To run fibre past an urban dwelling is ~$3000 and then ~$1500 for an install, both of which are heavily subsidised when you pay nothing as an end user. MUDs aren't covered by the current free install policy because the install costs could easily exceed that significantly, until work has been done to establish the feasibility then it's an unknown cost.

And yes everybody will have to pay for an install because every apartment will require individual fibre run from the basement/comms room to their apartment.

Note - this is true in terms of obligation of the LFC however currently Chorus is not charging for MDU installs regardless of the size unless there are unushal circumstances.

Is there a single large scale MDU deployment anywhere yet though? I'm not aware of any as of a few months ago.

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#962094 6-Jan-2014 19:53

sbiddle:
matt45:
sbiddle:
Nate001:
sbiddle: It's worth remembering that you'll also be paying for your install for any building higher than 3 stories. Price is going to depend on the building but remember an average residential install is costing upwards of $2000 and some figures of $1000 for a typical apartment install have been talked about in the industry. An install in an apartment building can easily be more complex than a standard residential install depending on the work required as fibre needs to be installed to your apartment, copper can't be used internally.

So I assume if the building is higher than 3 stories everyone even under 3rd have to pay for the install? We will be on the 3rd floor of a 8 story building. Its beginning to look like fibre isn't going to be a feasible option.

It depends what you determine as "feasible". To run fibre past an urban dwelling is ~$3000 and then ~$1500 for an install, both of which are heavily subsidised when you pay nothing as an end user. MUDs aren't covered by the current free install policy because the install costs could easily exceed that significantly, until work has been done to establish the feasibility then it's an unknown cost.

And yes everybody will have to pay for an install because every apartment will require individual fibre run from the basement/comms room to their apartment.

Note - this is true in terms of obligation of the LFC however currently Chorus is not charging for MDU installs regardless of the size unless there are unushal circumstances.

Is there a single large scale MDU deployment anywhere yet though? I'm not aware of any as of a few months ago.

I believe there are quite a few (a lot undergoing build work at present) 93 the terrace in wellington is one.

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#963537 8-Jan-2014 21:01

What are the requirements for an apartment complex to be zoned separately?

My complex has 104 units, not in the CBD and not a high rise. Cat5e from the room to each apartment. UFB is scheduled for June to the street. It already has business fiber run in (obviously not used for GPON I know).

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#963548 8-Jan-2014 21:12

Peppery: What are the requirements for an apartment complex to be zoned separately?

My complex has 104 units, not in the CBD and not a high rise. Cat5e from the room to each apartment. UFB is scheduled for June to the street. It already has business fiber run in (obviously not used for GPON I know).

That CAT5 adds no value ONT installation is required with each dwelling/unit - you can thank CFH for that one.

Will probably end up with a internal FFP (cabinet) in the comms room and then internal fibre infrastructure will be built to each unit.

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#963558 8-Jan-2014 21:21

matt45:
Peppery: What are the requirements for an apartment complex to be zoned separately?

My complex has 104 units, not in the CBD and not a high rise. Cat5e from the room to each apartment. UFB is scheduled for June to the street. It already has business fiber run in (obviously not used for GPON I know).

That CAT5 adds no value ONT installation is required with each dwelling/unit - you can thank CFH for that one.

Will probably end up with a internal FFP (cabinet) in the comms room and then internal fibre infrastructure will be built to each unit.

Good to know, cheers. Not hoping for much.

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#963657 9-Jan-2014 07:26

Internal building cat5e/cat6 cabling is of no use for UFB. Specs require that fibre is run to every premise, in part because there is a requirement to support RF over fibre in the future and it'll mean a consistent install arcross every premise - the ONT will be with the end user meaning that diagnostics is simpler, and the ONT ATA ports can be used. If you move the ONT elsewhere it changes things significantly.

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#965178 11-Jan-2014 17:35

My apartment building also appears to have its own zone. Tried calling Telecom to ask whether they could begin the process so we could obtain consent of all the owners but they have told me that the Chorus network map isn't up to date and that my building does not have the UFB lines outside yet. As I recall, my building was in the UFB zone around April/May 2013. Is there any other way I can check whether I've been given the correct information as I'd like to start the process as soon as we can - I can imagine getting the consent of 100+ owners to take some time..

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