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Topic # 14070 13-Jun-2007 17:55
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Is anyone lucky enough (or not) to be one of this first people to go live with ADSL2+ in Christchurch from Telecom or any of its resellers? If so whats it like ?


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  Reply # 74719 14-Jun-2007 20:17
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Being 19'000 kilometers away from you folks, I've of course no experience with local ADSL2+ service, but I wrote an article in my blog about ADSL2+ in general. which may be interesting for you: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/inquisitor/3014




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  Reply # 75742 23-Jun-2007 23:13
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I live in Christchurch and I am currently with xtra.   Based on my current experience I will be leaving xtra very shortly.  Truely an awful experience.  Lots of times my connection drops for no good reason.  Telecom your 'service' truely sucks.  Its time for a new provider for me ...

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Reply # 75743 23-Jun-2007 23:54
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g7viz: I live in Christchurch and I am currently with xtra.   Based on my current experience I will be leaving xtra very shortly.  Truely an awful experience.  Lots of times my connection drops for no good reason.  Telecom your 'service' truely sucks.  Its time for a new provider for me ...

What does this have to do with ADSL2+? Way off-topic!

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Reply # 75744 24-Jun-2007 00:14
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More fuel on the off topic fire: Connection drops (where you loose ADSL sync) tend to be line/dslam related (rather than ISP related, but of course you did your fact checking before launching a salvo right?), so changing to a wholesaler won't help, unless they change your port (which again, would only solve the problem if it was the port at fault).

Call Xtra, ask them to perform a 5530 test on your line and take it from there. As discussed above, if you need any further advice, create a new thread to avoid disrupting this discussion on ADSL2.




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  Reply # 75764 24-Jun-2007 14:06
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I believe the 3 exchanges that are now on ADSL2+ (AKL Pakuranga, WTN Khandalah and CHC St Albans), have all customers migrated and connecting at 2+ speeds now, but they are not able to get data through at those speeds yet.  That is being switched on at the end of the month.

Does anyone have any info on the roll out plan???  I live in Auckland CBD, right next to Airedale/Mayoral Drive exchanges and am currently getting 7.6 connection, so am extremely interested to know when I'll be switched over because I expect to get a connection in the low 20's.


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  Reply # 75778 24-Jun-2007 16:14
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pjamieson:

I believe the 3 exchanges that are now on ADSL2+ (AKL Pakuranga, WTN Khandalah and CHC St Albans), have all customers migrated and connecting at 2+ speeds now, but they are not able to get data through at those speeds yet.  That is being switched on at the end of the month.



I'm on the Pakuranga exchange....  Xnet, FS/128kbps unlimited (in data).  Does this means that next month, I should keep my fingers crossed and my speeds should jump up quite abit????

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  Reply # 75798 24-Jun-2007 18:32
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Yes I believe so.  If you are on the Pakuranga exchange, your connection speed should be higher now, but you won't be downloading any faster yet.

Although that depends on whether you were getting speeds in the upper limits of DSL1.  If you were only getting 4 meg connection before, DSL2+ will make no difference.  In fact you might go backwards slightly.

What is your conection speed right now?

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  Reply # 75849 25-Jun-2007 10:57
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I read through the Telecom web-site about ADSL2+ and the thing that jumped out at me was this little gem:

http://www.telecom.co.nz/whstream/0,8768,205569-204216,00.html?link=rdt#top

"ADSL2+ is the underlying technology that will enable next generation services. This is a platform rather than a service and therefore we expect there to be little difference to end-user service performance until new services, designed to take advantage of ADSL2+ technology, are introduced to the market." (emphasis mine)

So those who are expecting quicker broadband will be disappointed.  Question is, what new services will they be introducing to take advantage of ADSL2+?



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  Reply # 75855 25-Jun-2007 12:00
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IPTV would be a very good start! being able to stream Joost at an acceptable rate would be nice, But telecom and orcon have promised true iptv (as in not streamed over the internet, i dont know the technical jargon but i think it runs on a different layer? im sure someone will correct me). Other than that and VOIP i cant think of anything else.
As pjamieson said if you were sitting at 7mb on adsl1 then you will see an improvement in download speeds (of some degree) when you get switched to adsl2, thats telecom covering there ass's so when the majority of people complain that adsl2+ is no faster than what they originaly had telecom can point to that document and say they never promised anything to being with LOL.


JonC: I read through the Telecom web-site about ADSL2+ and the thing that jumped out at me was this little gem:

http://www.telecom.co.nz/whstream/0,8768,205569-204216,00.html?link=rdt#top

"ADSL2+ is the underlying technology that will enable next generation services. This is a platform rather than a service and therefore we expect there to be little difference to end-user service performance until new services, designed to take advantage of ADSL2+ technology, are introduced to the market." (emphasis mine)

So those who are expecting quicker broadband will be disappointed. Question is, what new services will they be introducing to take advantage of ADSL2+?



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  Reply # 75923 25-Jun-2007 20:43
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pjamieson: Yes I believe so.  If you are on the Pakuranga exchange, your connection speed should be higher now, but you won't be downloading any faster yet.

Although that depends on whether you were getting speeds in the upper limits of DSL1.  If you were only getting 4 meg connection before, DSL2+ will make no difference.  In fact you might go backwards slightly.

What is your conection speed right now?


Hmm, that will explain the short connections outages I had a few weeks back!  It's all good now though...

Speed wise, no difference almost!  Connection speeds:  3808kbps  / 160kbps.....  Pretty much the same as before, maybe a very very slight marginal increase?

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  Reply # 75928 25-Jun-2007 22:11
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Yeah too low to benefit from 2+ unfortunately.  Frown


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  Reply # 75948 26-Jun-2007 10:53
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I know this is premature as I'm sure I will hear from my ISP [xnet] when they have something to tell me about adsl2+

1. How will I know if I will benefit from adsl2+, currently I get 2.6Mbit down and my vitial stats are:

StatisticsDownstreamUpstream
Line Rate7616 Kbps160 Kbps
Attainable Line Rate9024 Kbps860 Kbps
Noise Margin15.1 dB24.0 dB
Line Attenuation26.0 dB14.0 dB
Output Power19.7 dBm4.6 dBm

Because I only get 2.6Mbit currently from a potential 7.6Mbit does that mean I won't get any benefit ?

ps: I don't know how far I am from an exchange or roadside cabinet



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  Reply # 75958 26-Jun-2007 12:12
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If your on 2.6mbit i would expect the same from adsl2+.. have a look at this graph.. it will give you a rough idea of what to expect.. i borrowed this from the australian isp internodes website but its a very informative graph  and useful for everybody :-)

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5189/adsl2distancewu6.jpg



xlinknz: I know this is premature as I'm sure I will hear from my ISP [xnet] when they have something to tell me about adsl2+

1. How will I know if I will benefit from adsl2+, currently I get 2.6Mbit down and my vitial stats are:

StatisticsDownstreamUpstream
Line Rate7616 Kbps160 Kbps
Attainable Line Rate9024 Kbps860 Kbps
Noise Margin15.1 dB24.0 dB
Line Attenuation26.0 dB14.0 dB
Output Power19.7 dBm4.6 dBm

Because I only get 2.6Mbit currently from a potential 7.6Mbit does that mean I won't get any benefit ?

ps: I don't know how far I am from an exchange or roadside cabinet



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  Reply # 75959 26-Jun-2007 12:20
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Based on your downstream attenuation I would say you are somewhere between 1.5-2km from the DSLAM, therefore you should expect to be able to double your line rate, naturally if they dont increase the backhaul behind it then you will still get the same old 2.6Mb/s throughput.

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  Reply # 75960 26-Jun-2007 12:21
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A little off topic, how can you find out which exchange you are on? I live closish to St Albans but not sure if I am on that exchange.

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