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Topic # 145500 20-May-2014 06:56
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Just saw this story on stuff about Remi Galasso saying his company is a few weeks away from confirming it will be completing a cable to the USA. The cable will have a capacity of 6.4Tb traveling between Whangarei and Oregon via Hawaii, it is planned to be finished by March 2016.







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  Reply # 1048798 20-May-2014 13:41
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So faster international speeds? All up for that!





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  Reply # 1048800 20-May-2014 13:47
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Why do you think this will result in faster international speeds? (Hint, If that's your conclusion then I think your assumptions or logic are wrong)

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  Reply # 1049806 20-May-2014 14:49
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I can't see it being a bad thing if another cable is built, so long as it is connected where it needs to be connected at this end (and I suppose the other end).

I'd imagine if so, it would increase redundancy and available bandwidth. I do not know how congested the SXC gets now, or whether or not this new cable will bring down prices for international traffic. In my opinion we are getting a pretty good deal for our bandwidth considering our location at the bottom of the world.

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  Reply # 1049881 20-May-2014 16:31
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Talkiet: Why do you think this will result in faster international speeds? (Hint, If that's your conclusion then I think your assumptions or logic are wrong)

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Yea cos they will use this new type of fibre that actually increases the speed of light by altering the space-time continuum.



But seriously, this will blow over just like the Morgan funded one. 

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  Reply # 1049891 20-May-2014 16:45
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Firebreaker: So faster international speeds? All up for that!


not going to affect you anyways

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  Reply # 1049909 20-May-2014 17:04
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Jase2985:
Firebreaker: So faster international speeds? All up for that!


not going to affect you anyways


Oh my god. Get over it.

I was just thinking it will increase international speeds. It has NOTHING-let me repeat so you actually understand-NOTHING TO ME THINKING IT WILL AFFECT ME!





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  Reply # 1049913 20-May-2014 17:09
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Firebreaker: So faster international speeds? All up for that!


Not per se.

Any faster speeds you see are likely to be anecdotal and due to the more tangible bonuses of a second cable, namely:  less peak congestion (ISPs will have the option of spreading traffic over two links, which when coupled with....), if economies of scale play their cards right - lower costs - allowing ISPs to buy even more international capacity (SX have done a good job dropping costs over the last decade+ but if I remember Economics 101 right, it should get even more interesting....)

But at the same time, consider this, as fatter pipes come into the country, everyone else in the country is starting to get fatter pipes as well, and content is starting to demand those fatter pipes, so it's all scaling up at a similar rate.  So from a 2014 to 2016 perspective, yes international speeds may go up, but relatively to what everyone is consuming, they could all stay the same.


On the subject of the cable, big big win for Whangarei, another giant announcement for them following the Northpower UFB rollout completion announcement, sounds like this is going to be a good month for them.

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  Reply # 1049914 20-May-2014 17:09
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Doing so more research it was competition for the Southern cross cable. This cable will allow something related to more bandwidth?





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  Reply # 1049915 20-May-2014 17:11
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nigelj:
Firebreaker: So faster international speeds? All up for that!


Not per se.

Any faster speeds you see are likely to be anecdotal and due to the more tangible bonuses of a second cable, namely:  less peak congestion (ISPs will have the option of spreading traffic over two links, which when coupled with....), if economies of scale play their cards right - lower costs - allowing ISPs to buy even more international capacity (SX have done a good job dropping costs over the last decade+ but if I remember Economics 101 right, it should get even more interesting....)

But at the same time, consider this, as fatter pipes come into the country, everyone else in the country is starting to get fatter pipes as well, and content is starting to demand those fatter pipes, so it's all scaling up at a similar rate.  So from a 2014 to 2016 perspective, yes international speeds may go up, but relatively to what everyone is consuming, they could all stay the same.


On the subject of the cable, big big win for Whangarei, another giant announcement for them following the Northpower UFB rollout completion announcement, sounds like this is going to be a good month for them.


That makes sense. In  an indirect way it could possibly increase speeds however it depends on how our ISP's use this new cable? You are right. For everyone that will get he faster speeds, they sure as hell would want to enjoy them and stream more.





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  Reply # 1049938 20-May-2014 17:23
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Firebreaker: That makes sense. In  an indirect way it could possibly increase speeds however it depends on how our ISP's use this new cable? You are right. For everyone that will get he faster speeds, they sure as hell would want to enjoy them and stream more.


More or less, you are spot on.   Here is an example of one of the potential realities:

Lets say you are a ISP with I don't know, 40Gb/s of connectivity via Southern Cross, and Hawaiki comes along and you decide you want that second pathway to the US.  You have two options, purchase above and beyond what you have with SX, or drop some capacity with SX and grab some with Hawaiki.   You could end up with a configuration like 30Gb/s SX, 20Gb/s Hawaiki  (Net +10Gb/s expansion which isn't really much), or 20/20 (net nil).   This is why some say "why do you expect speeds to go up just because there is a new cable", it's possible that some ISPs (or more to the point, their transit providers) will just rebalance & hedge their bets.

The ISP business is low margin, so it'll all come down to cost as to what ISPs actually all do, and what their capacities end up looking like after Hawaiki goes live, but it's good to note that Hawaiki has already got a lot of committed business (as I posted in a previous topic on the cable), interestingly a fair amount from the US DoD I seem to recall due to the Pacific Island connections it makes (America Samoa etc)

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Talkiet: Why do you think this will result in faster international speeds? (Hint, If that's your conclusion then I think your assumptions or logic are wrong)

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Yea cos they will use this new type of fibre that actually increases the speed of light by altering the space-time continuum.



But seriously, this will blow over just like the Morgan funded one. 


Bahahahaha

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  Reply # 1049942 20-May-2014 17:37
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Firebreaker: That makes sense. In  an indirect way it could possibly increase speeds however it depends on how our ISP's use this new cable? You are right. For everyone that will get he faster speeds, they sure as hell would want to enjoy them and stream more.


More or less, you are spot on.   Here is an example of one of the potential realities:

Lets say you are a ISP with I don't know, 40Gb/s of connectivity via Southern Cross, and Hawaiki comes along and you decide you want that second pathway to the US.  You have two options, purchase above and beyond what you have with SX, or drop some capacity with SX and grab some with Hawaiki.   You could end up with a configuration like 30Gb/s SX, 20Gb/s Hawaiki  (Net +10Gb/s expansion which isn't really much), or 20/20 (net nil).   This is why some say "why do you expect speeds to go up just because there is a new cable", it's possible that some ISPs (or more to the point, their transit providers) will just rebalance & hedge their bets.

The ISP business is low margin, so it'll all come down to cost as to what ISPs actually all do, and what their capacities end up looking like after Hawaiki goes live, but it's good to note that Hawaiki has already got a lot of committed business (as I posted in a previous topic on the cable), interestingly a fair amount from the US DoD I seem to recall due to the Pacific Island connections it makes (America Samoa etc)


Thanks for all the explanation regarding the international cables. 





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  Reply # 1049967 20-May-2014 17:56
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Will more bandwidth really make a big difference? For torrents yes, but for most other things? Probably not.

There's still latency, and the distance between NZ and the USA. That won't change, ever, until a record earthquake re-joins the continents.

More bandwidth might drop the price of current bandwidth but from what I've read on Geekzone numerous times, international traffic isn't that expensive to begin with compared to getting it to your house in your neighbourhood.

The more bandwidth, the more customers an ISP will take on. I don't think it'll have a real impact on their business model or ratio of users to bandwidth.

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  Reply # 1049974 20-May-2014 18:07
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chevrolux: Yea cos they will use this new type of fibre that actually increases the speed of light by altering the space-time continuum.

Apparently they've come up with air-filled [edit: or maybe vacuum; I don't remember] fibre that supposedly transmits light faster than the existing glass ones... but I don't know how well it works in practice, whether such cables are in production, whether they're economical, etc. Obviously it won't be faster than light speed though :)

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  Reply # 1049981 20-May-2014 18:21
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Remi Galasso has a proven track record on delivering actual cable roll outs instead of regular vaporware media hype..... oh wait...

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