Selling UFB snake oil

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brettw72

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Topic # 147319 16-Jun-2014 09:57

Broadband rollout status reports are inaccurate at best, deliberately deceptive at worst.

A quick look at rollout maps indicates that "towns that have UFB" actually don't - in their entirety. So, its inaccurate.

Looking at Palmerston North for example, the entire left side has no plan or timetable for UFB.

Other citys where a quick glance indicate 1/2 a city does not intend to get coverage:

- Dunedin
- Christchurch (Little above 0%)
- Wellington
- Auckland

Hence these Gigatown promotions marginalize 40-50% of their population. The press releases are cunning though : PR sent to local bodies who scramble to publish in a look-how-great-our-town-is flurry.

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Reply # 1066447 16-Jun-2014 10:03

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please report it to commerce comission

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Reply # 1066449 16-Jun-2014 10:07

Other citys where a quick glance indicate 1/2 a city does not intend to get coverage:

- Dunedin
- Christchurch (Little above 0%)
- Wellington
- Auckland

Where is your evidence to back up this very bold claim that 1/2 of these major cities will get no UFB?

These cities will all get UFB - they're simply not on the rollout schedule yet. UFB will be complete by 2019, at present we're not even 50% of the way through the project and the focus only moves to residential in this coming year.

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Reply # 1066451 16-Jun-2014 10:09

Right...

They are doing it in stages. First stage you can already see. Second stage will come after the first stage is complete....

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Reply # 1066456 16-Jun-2014 10:14

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There is also no point looking at the Chorus coverage maps for Christchurch (or even referencing it in terms of the Gigatown promotion) since Chorus are not deploying fibre in that area. Enable are the local LFC.

brettw72

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Reply # 1066510 16-Jun-2014 11:06

sbiddle:

These cities will all get UFB - they're simply not on the rollout schedule yet. UFB will be complete by 2019, at present we're not even 50% of the way through the project and the focus only moves to residential in this coming year.

Thats all I am pointing out - some honesty and up-frontness is required.

If your sentence was contained in all the fluff promotion I would be happy. If a town is to be completed by 2019 then state that.

To use a metaphor, you buy a house. You move in to find there is no plumbing, and the real estate agent tells you "its due to be completed in 12 months". Would you accept that as being upfront and hon..... oh wait, bad example. I was trying to compare an honest instrustry with a shifty one.

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Reply # 1066511 16-Jun-2014 11:09

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brettw72: Thats all I am pointing out - some honesty and up-frontness is required.

Give us one example where the promotion has mislead you - the exact ads etc.

If you truly believe they have misled you, go to commerce commision and put your complaint there for action.

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Reply # 1066537 16-Jun-2014 11:28

brettw72:
sbiddle:

These cities will all get UFB - they're simply not on the rollout schedule yet. UFB will be complete by 2019, at present we're not even 50% of the way through the project and the focus only moves to residential in this coming year.

Thats all I am pointing out - some honesty and up-frontness is required.

If your sentence was contained in all the fluff promotion I would be happy. If a town is to be completed by 2019 then state that.

To use a metaphor, you buy a house. You move in to find there is no plumbing, and the real estate agent tells you "its due to be completed in 12 months". Would you accept that as being upfront and hon..... oh wait, bad example. I was trying to compare an honest instrustry with a shifty one.

To quote the gigatown site, UFB Availability has been referenced to:

Question

What if my street is in Gigatown, but isn’t due to have access to ultra-fast broadband services until much later?

Answer

To ensure we meet our commitments around the country Chorus will continue to build the fibre network for ultra-fast broadband according to our planned schedule – even in the town that wins our Gigatown competition.

Question

I live in a Chorus ultra-fast broadband town, but my street isn’t getting ultra-fast broadband.

Will I still benefit from Gigatown?

Answer

The area covered by the Chorus ultra-fast broadband network won’t be altered if the town wins our Gigatown competition.

Even if gigabit broadband services aren’t available at your home address, though, there are still ways you’ll likely benefit from having the services in your town.

The site also has the link to the the chorus UFB checker for users to check if they will get UFB or not.

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Reply # 1066997 16-Jun-2014 20:33

brettw72: Thats all I am pointing out - some honesty and up-frontness is required.

If your sentence was contained in all the fluff promotion I would be happy. If a town is to be completed by 2019 then state that.

To use a metaphor, you buy a house. You move in to find there is no plumbing, and the real estate agent tells you "its due to be completed in 12 months". Would you accept that as being upfront and hon..... oh wait, bad example. I was trying to compare an honest instrustry with a shifty one.

I doubt there has ever been any confusion over how long this would take, 2019 has always been the stated goal. Rolling out fibre is a huge task and it's not something that can happen overnight. The copper network is what, 50-60+ years old now?

To complete your metaphor, did a real estate agent say UFB would be completed within 12 months? Did you check the roll out maps for your area?

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Reply # 1067291 17-Jun-2014 10:43

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Christchurch (Little above 0%)

Not sure how my UFB is working then

- suggest you look at Enable's website and not Chorus