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Topic # 151975 11-Sep-2014 20:01
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hi guys.
new house build in Tauranga and the lead in has already been laid in conduit from the telecom point at the edge of the section in to the house with a decent radius bend(i dug down to check it)..
The street doesnt get fiber until next year so it just has a copper cable in it for now.


but the sparky has no idea bout the UFB ETP box or any internal conduit etc as per the chorus  how to's.
where do i get the etp box from?  i want the ETP etc set up for fiber so i dont have to hack up my new house/brick in a years time or have the fiber ETP box not installed well/tacked on the side oh the house...

any ideas???

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  Reply # 1126752 11-Sep-2014 20:16
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The ETP box gets installed at the same time when UFB service is installed.

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  Reply # 1126768 11-Sep-2014 20:42
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Further to the above comment, Chorus will install a small ETP for copper when they come to connect your phone line. This will be replaced with a larger ETP when your get fibre installed, and the hybrid fibre/copper cable will be fed into the house through the same hole in the brick that the copper will come in. So nothing to worry about messing up your brick cladding.

There might be messing up of interior linings however, depending on what is on the inside wall against the ETP. Sounds like it might be too late, but ideally you want to make it easy for Chorus to install a fibre line from the ETP to where you want your UFB ONT (essentially a fibre modem) and router. If you plan it well and run conduit inside the walls for them to run fibre in, then the cabling can be hidden. If not then you might need to have some conduit or trunking on certain interior walls.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1126769 11-Sep-2014 20:42
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so i cant get it in while building?

i would have thought a UFB etp box and in wall conduit would be standard for a new house (even if you only currently have copper.??)

the framing and interior linings arent in yet so i still have time to chuck a (20mm?) conduit in the framing. patch panel will be on the diagonal opposite of the double internal garage to the ETP with easy access above the garage (its an attic space)

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  Reply # 1126772 11-Sep-2014 20:47
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Nah all you can do is run conduit for them to feed the fibre through when they do your UFB install. Worth having a good think about where you want the ONT/Router to be, bearing in mind it needs to be within a certain distance of the ETP (10-20m from the top of my head) or they will charge extra for the extra length of fibre needed. 32mm rigid conduit with sweeping corners (same as you have going to the ETP) from the ETP to where you want the ONT will make things easy

Don't worry about the the ETP, it's Chorus' job and is included in their standard install

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  Reply # 1126884 12-Sep-2014 05:02
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floydie: so i cant get it in while building?

i would have thought a UFB etp box and in wall conduit would be standard for a new house (even if you only currently have copper.??)

the framing and interior linings arent in yet so i still have time to chuck a (20mm?) conduit in the framing. patch panel will be on the diagonal opposite of the double internal garage to the ETP with easy access above the garage (its an attic space)


The internal conduiting or lack there of is up to you and your contractors / the copper ETP is Chorus's & will be installed when/if you get a copper connection terminated / and if your in Tauranga then the fibre will come from Ultra Fast,  so the Fibre ETP is theirs and not Chorus's either. (Im not sure if UF have a deal with Chorus to use the same service conduit from the road frontage to the house - you will have to check )

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  Reply # 1126917 12-Sep-2014 08:14
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Ring Ultrafast and see if they can do a pre-install for you. This will involve running the conduit from the street to your house and they may put the ETP on at that time. This means that they will also know where the conduit ends in the street so when they build down the road they can match up where your conduit is to where they will leave theirs.

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  Reply # 1126978 12-Sep-2014 08:39
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I dont know about ultrafast but these are chorus standards.
ALL electricians should have had this manual and been familiar with it a few years ago.

http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre

See the PDFs on that page. Has all the info you need.

I am 99% sure that your LFC if its not chorus would follow the exact same standards.




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  Reply # 1127900 13-Sep-2014 15:38
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unfortunatly they installed the lead in without letting me know they were doing it (even though i asked to see the lead in trench as  i wanted to see the telecom duct and also place in a spare duct for possible garden lighting/driveway alarm) GRRRRRR.

i have no idea where the telecom duct finishes at the street, but the power and telecom connection points are right at the corner of the boundary.

oh and the ENTIRE length of the lead in will be covered in coloured concrete, so i do not want to have to dig any of it up next year because the UFB guy says the setup isnt right.

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  Reply # 1128016 13-Sep-2014 18:46
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floydie: unfortunatly they installed the lead in without letting me know they were doing it (even though i asked to see the lead in trench as  i wanted to see the telecom duct and also place in a spare duct for possible garden lighting/driveway alarm) GRRRRRR.

i have no idea where the telecom duct finishes at the street, but the power and telecom connection points are right at the corner of the boundary.

oh and the ENTIRE length of the lead in will be covered in coloured concrete, so i do not want to have to dig any of it up next year because the UFB guy says the setup isnt right.



Just a few things to note


The Conduit that has been layed from the house to the road is for Chorus (Not for Telecom/Spark) and would be left ending above the ground at the roadside untill a connection is requested then it will be extened to inside the 'Chorus' terminal (they may still have Telecom branding on them but they are not telecom's) and have the ETP installed on your house - there may be a draw wire or line installed in it temp and this will be replaced later with the right cable  

For UFB your local network provider in Ultrafast and not Chorus they will require a seperate conduit/Microduct to hook you up so if you dont wont to have yoyur concrete dug up get another conduit in now



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  Reply # 1128046 13-Sep-2014 20:07
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thanks
stupid question but all the chorus install docs dont say anything about 2 ducts needed. i thought they simply pulled a hybrid fiber through the existing green duct. (my one has just the standard outdoor lead in cable in it at the moment.

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  Reply # 1128084 13-Sep-2014 21:37
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because your local fiber company is not allowed to use chorus's conduit just as chorus is not allowed to use the local fibers conduit.

separate companies separate gear.

go with 2 bits of conduit



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  Reply # 1128118 13-Sep-2014 23:06
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man i'm really mad now.
why the hell are "we" not aware of this.

all of the literature about UFB simply says install a duct from the road and that it can just have a new ETP box fitted to it if you want to upgrade to UFB etc etc and zip zero about needing TWO ducts.
what makes the green lead in duct chorus's? i payed for it, my sparky laid it...

not to mention that now i have to dig 12 meters of hard packed clay to put in a second duct.

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  Reply # 1128165 14-Sep-2014 06:28
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floydie: man i'm really mad now.
why the hell are "we" not aware of this.

all of the literature about UFB simply says install a duct from the road and that it can just have a new ETP box fitted to it if you want to upgrade to UFB etc etc and zip zero about needing TWO ducts.
what makes the green lead in duct chorus's? i payed for it, my sparky laid it...

not to mention that now i have to dig 12 meters of hard packed clay to put in a second duct.



Are you reffering to the Chorus literature about UFB or Ultrafast litereature? You dont live in a Chorus UFB area so if you are reffering to theirs then thay are irrelavent for you.

Ultrafast are the UFB Local Fibre Company in Tauranga and have been so for the past 5 years or more.

As for the Conduit - you paid for your sparky to lay it now in the services trench so that you dont have to pay a Chorus contractor later to lay it afterwards that would cost you even more. 
 

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  Reply # 1129112 15-Sep-2014 15:22
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Also be aware that location of the road-side lean-in won't be finalised until closer to the time when fibre is laid in your street.

During my house building process I called UFF and asked them where the road-side lead-in location for the fibre would be so I could run a separate conduit for the fibre. Although they stipulated a location, this changed late in the process and as a consequence my lead-in is now on the opposite side of the concrete driveway from my fibre lead-in pipe.



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  Reply # 1129319 15-Sep-2014 18:36
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well the plot thickens...speaking to neighbours, they both say that their sparkies have assured them that they can put fiber in thier green lead in ducts...

still no reply from ultra fast tauranga

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