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Topic # 15335 16-Aug-2007 19:08
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the loop $140/month?
unlimited?

i want one!!!!

can anyone explain to me more about this????

how that works?

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  Reply # 82639 16-Aug-2007 19:30
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Similar to what Auckland Council, and now Christchurch council are rolling out. Dark Fibre to each location that you tap onto and find a provider to supply internets. AT rapiers at each site, 10gbit/s Fibre links to those.

Think of your home 100mb network, on a wider scale. With an assortment library of movies and educational stuff you can access real fast.

They then have a link to WIX with the supply of net. But doubtful it will be delivered at the claimed speeds, the average desktop only has a 1gb network card.

http://www.nzine.co.nz/features/nelsonloop.html
http://www.alliedtelesyn.com/media/pdf/theloop_cs.pdf

Canty Uni and some others here are on their own loop also.

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  Reply # 82686 17-Aug-2007 09:13
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I was a little annoyed as to how that TV3 clip was done

yes they have 1Gbit dark fibre between schools but they don't have a 1Gbit connection to the Net. To say a movie takes 14 seconds to download is not true unless it was coming from a source on the loop. I doubt it was from the 'Net'

Good on them tho

FYI the government is building a sinilar network called the GSN [Government Services Network] thats connects govt head offices to each other at 1Gbit it also provides proxy, smtp, remote access etc


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 82693 17-Aug-2007 10:47
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And I'm sure that it was a LEGAL movie download, and a LEGAL MP3 download that they did as well.....

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  Reply # 82694 17-Aug-2007 10:56
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If you watch the footage their 'MP3' they downloaded, was a flash animation with an example. You picked the type of file and the speed and it 'demonstrates' the POTENTIAL speed it could be.  It listed 8 different different connection speeds and graphed them.

Even had 'broadband demonstration' at the top.

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  Reply # 82696 17-Aug-2007 11:20
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The comparison to "home" was also somewhat exaggerated.  I downloaded a song from itunes from home and it took less than a minute.  On the clip they said this would take anywhere from 7 to 14 minutes....  I guess the comparable time would be more correctly termed as from a dial up connection.


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  Reply # 82710 17-Aug-2007 13:35
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I was also annoyed by that poor article. Definitely was comparing to dial-up which costs like nothing, possibly to 33k dial-up since that is the only "guaranteed" speed over a modem. The speed demo was like ADSL's "as fast as your line will go", does not mean much. Are we trusting these people to give our kids a good education? Would have hoped for a more accurate report from a school. Is there anyone that can give real, true performance figures that would actually be meaningful?

Going through a school, so guaranteed to be heavy proxied and shaped.  Would have to use an anonymous proxy to bypass it, which results in a reduced speed and maybe not worth it any more.




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  Reply # 82744 17-Aug-2007 18:02
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Heh yeah they forgot to mention they have only a 20mbps gateway to the net. Also what was up with those speeds tests - lolz, cached.

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  Reply # 82749 17-Aug-2007 18:51
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Fraktul: Heh yeah they forgot to mention they have only a 20mbps gateway to the net. Also what was up with those speeds tests - lolz, cached.


Not cached, it was an animation. Not realtime.

Like this
http://www.crossan.ie/cable/demo-file.htm

I'm not downloading it, but it looks like I am from 2 places at once! *shock*

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  Reply # 82769 17-Aug-2007 22:47
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Shows how much attention I was paying at the time. :)

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  Reply # 82770 17-Aug-2007 23:06
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the media would be silly to let the truth get in the way of a good story

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  Reply # 82776 18-Aug-2007 00:31
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http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/CampbellLiveVideo/tabid/367/articleID/32656/Default.aspx

Can see it there if you missed it.



Heh, I managed to cap it. 'Fiberspeed Demonstration' With differing speeds


/edit. Hehe. How hard was that.
http://www.mxi.nl/upload/FiberSpdEN.exe (http://www.mxi.nl/fiberspeed/international/)
http://www.digitalregion.co.uk/flash/speed_test_for_web.swf
Look familiar?


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  Reply # 82799 18-Aug-2007 09:44
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That's even worse than I thought, they were comparing with a 14kbps modem!  And they can't even get "kbps" right (no capital for kilo, schools should now that).




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Reply # 82806 18-Aug-2007 10:45
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Nice how they are using 'averaged' speeds for ADSL technologies and also not comparing modem dial up speeds (you know, a lot of people have 33.6kbps and 56kbps modems...), yet maximum potential speeds for the fiber connections.

Coupled with what Franktul said about a 20mbps internet gateway, its quickly turning into yet another uninformed, outright wrong article released by the mainstream media. It seems that the media have a vested interest in painting our internet connections as being slow and degraded (which one could argue that they are) with misinformation, just to get a story for prime time TV.

If an ADSL provider such as Xtra, Orcon, Ihug, Xnet, slingshot, or Woosh made such claims they'd be dragged over the coals in the media (well maybe only xtra) and in the forums. Its only starting to start here but I doubt the MSM will make any clarifications or retractions on the inaccuracies presented as fact.




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  Reply # 82823 18-Aug-2007 13:58
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How did you work out it was "they have only a 20mbps gateway to the net"?

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  Reply # 82835 18-Aug-2007 16:27
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I didnt work it out - I was told this by colleagues and others in telco land while discussing this at lunch on Friday. It sounds more than plausible, neither do I have any reason to doubt them. If you know something to the contrary I would be interested to here.

What is sure however is that they dont have 1000mbps of international transit capacity avaliable to them, so the way this has been portrayed is inaccurate. Even in the event they have higher capacity domestic transit or peering (likely) you need to remember that 80-90% of Internet traffic in NZ is to/from international networks - even as a weighted average its a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

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