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Topic # 154812 8-Nov-2014 15:56
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Hi,

I've looked quite hard and couldn't find any discussion on the issue. I'm thinking of moving to VDSL2, mostly for my uploads. (Fibre is by July 2016.) While I haven't quite decided, I may move to (or stay with) one of the providers providing free installation with a contract. (I don't really think I need it but I guess because of too many people who thought they didn't but did, it seems most no longer make it optional.) However this is a fairly old house with old wiring. It doesn't have an ETP. The demark point is the first junction box in the premises.* The cable itself comes up in ducting under the house.

Anyway, so I'm wondering what with the standard Chorus install provided by the ISPs for "free". I know normally they're supposed to install a master splitter at the ETP, and then run Cat5e minimum to a designed RJ45 port they install in the premises (unless there's already Cat5). What are the standards in a case like mine? Do they route the cable outside and install an ETP then do a normal install? Do they just install a master splitter under the house and route Cat5e from it to the designed jackpoint? Most importantly, do they say my install is too unstandard and I have to pay more? Do I have any say in what they do in this regard?

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  Reply # 1171345 8-Nov-2014 15:57
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Some additional details not pertinent to the query:

*This was actually somewhat of an advantage, in the past when only Telecom technicians were allowed to have master splitters, I had a poor man's master splitter, basically a microfilter connected to the first jackpoint, with the modem directly plugged in to this and a cable connecting to other room phone wiring. I've long since removed the other wiring, only using a single point for the phone from the microfilter. Actually I did DIY a master splitter at one stage, but it didn't seem to improve anything so I eventually removed it for various reasons. I'd put it back if I don't get a Chorus install but do get VDSL2.

Also in case you're wondering, I should hopefully be able to get VDSL2. I haven't done a prequal but while my stats are stellar, they seem to meet the requirements, e.g. current sync is ~16900 down 1240 up with 10.0 down and 4.5 up attenuation. Distance to cabinet is hopefully under 500m if it doesn't take a very strange route.

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  Reply # 1171348 8-Nov-2014 16:12
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in my case i didn't have an ETP and chorus installed one and then ran the cables from that to the jackpoints (master filter was put inside the ETP, and i didnt pay a CENT but this might not be the norm for everyone.




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  Reply # 1171372 8-Nov-2014 17:06
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You no longer pay separately for master filter installs, the cost is incorporated into the VDSL2 pricing with all providers except for Bigpipe who don't offer it as standard.

There isn't really a standard install, it's going to depend where you want your modem. Typically speaking however this would be done at the first jackpoint.



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  Reply # 1171425 8-Nov-2014 18:26
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Depending on how busy/lazy the tech is and how difficult or easy it'll be, the tech will either install the splitter in the first jpt and run from there, or they'll install an ETP and install the splitter in that.

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  Reply # 1171445 8-Nov-2014 19:28
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sbiddle: You no longer pay separately for master filter installs, the cost is incorporated into the VDSL2 pricing with all providers except for Bigpipe who don't offer it as standard.

There isn't really a standard install, it's going to depend where you want your modem. Typically speaking however this would be done at the first jackpoint.




...and slingshot. (You may have missed the thread). Slingshot no longer provide master filter for vdsl on naked

www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=154506

I await your scathing blog article with baited breath :P

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  Reply # 1171464 8-Nov-2014 19:42
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NonprayingMantis:

... Slingshot no longer provide master filter for vdsl on naked

www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=154506

I await your scathing blog article with baited breath :P


From this Slingshot blog : "... looks like we'll be doing splitter installs with all VDSL connections from DEC"




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  Reply # 1171471 8-Nov-2014 19:56
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NonprayingMantis:
sbiddle: You no longer pay separately for master filter installs, the cost is incorporated into the VDSL2 pricing with all providers except for Bigpipe who don't offer it as standard.

There isn't really a standard install, it's going to depend where you want your modem. Typically speaking however this would be done at the first jackpoint.




...and slingshot. (You may have missed the thread). Slingshot no longer provide master filter for vdsl on naked

www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=154506

I await your scathing blog article with baited breath :P



If a company wants to force their users so suffer from poor internet that's their choice. It really shows that Slingshot don't care about the end user experience and are more interested in the $5 per month they can save.







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  Reply # 1190017 7-Dec-2014 00:52
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Thanks all. I was aware of not paying seperately. I was just wondering what happens when you don't have an ETP. Seems that they may install an ETP but it's not guaranteed although they won't reject the install/ask me to pay more. And guess I could probably push them to do one if I wanted perhaps by talking to my ISP about it.

In any case, I've reinstalled the master splitter I had myself for now (with Cat5e connected to the RJ45 port) and went with BigPipe. The modem is at the first jackpoint, but while they can do better testing and stuff than me, doesn't seem likely to be much point for an install without them installing an ETP. Since fibre is supposed to be here by July 2016, guess it's not a big deal if it's never done for the copper cable.

As before, the master splitter didn't make a difference to my ADSL2+ sync. Guess it may make a difference to my VDSL2 since the microfilter I was using before was obviously ADSL2+ so likely didn't stop the higher frequencies getting on to the phone line. Although since it's BigPipe, I'm not having my phone line for long (keeping it for porting to VoIP) so could have just disconnected the microfilter only gone to modem. But then again from what I've read, having the RJ45 also helps compared to the BT plug.

Will see what I get for VDSL hopefully on Monday. Not expecting much given my ~17mbps or so sync and 10-11 attentuation but care more about the upload anyway, find 1 mbps a bit too limiting. Don't think distance is that great unless the cable takes a circuitous (which is possible particularly since the cabinet is sort of on the opposite street). But I do have the 2 wire yellow/black gel cable connecting me to the street wiring, which I've read tends to be a crap compared to the 4 wire one use in newer premises, which I wonder may be one of the bigger issues. Not much can be done about that though.

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  Reply # 1190058 7-Dec-2014 08:52
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Our house never had a ETP either. The phone cable runs under ground from the road, under the house foundation and terminates in a cupboard. I installed my own master splitter at this point a few years ago. I purchased it from TradeMe for about $30, IIRC.




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