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# 160340 3-Jan-2015 08:17
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OK my fiber connection is due to be installed mid Jan.
Here are some of the wiring options

Option 1
R7000 in TV cabinet, wall-mount ONT in storage room (also houses the alarm - not monitored at the moment) I assume I will have to pay for the CAT6 cable running between R7000 and ONT?

Option 2
R7000 in TV cabinet, wall mount ONT behind TV (cheapest solution, but I am conscious that once ONT is installed it will be difficult to relocate and also the potentially distracting blinking lights)

Option 3
R7000 and ONT in a plastic distribution box in storage room (most expensive, also wifi might be affected and I will need to run separate CAT6 to my office etc etc, but hides all the clutter)


Any suggestions?

Also shall I get Chorus to do all the extra CAT6 wiring or get my own electrician to do that? (I would gladly pay extra for good quality wiring job on my property)
I am also looking into having wiring done for a home theater setup(basic wall mounted speakers, nothing fancy), any recommended electrician(s) that can do both?

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  # 1207635 3-Jan-2015 14:04
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Option 3
R7000 and ONT in a plastic distribution box in storage room (most expensive, also wifi might be affected and I will need to run separate CAT6 to my office etc etc, but hides all the clutter)


Chorus don't understand the word 'quality' anymore so I would suggest you get in another contractor to do the Cat 6 cabling. There are plenty of contractors around that will do this for you.

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  # 1207644 3-Jan-2015 14:25
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FYI, the Netgear R7000 doesn't support VLAN tagging on its stock firmware. If your ISP requires it (most do) you'll need to set something else up to do the VLAN tagging between the ONT and R7000, or install custom firmware on the R7000.

As to how to set it all up, if money were no object I'd have CAT6 run to every room for fixed devices, all back to a central point with a switch, patch panel and the ONT.

If the patch panel is central within the house, I'd put the router in there too. Otherwise I'd run two cables from ONT to a central point within the house for the router. One to connect the router to the ONT, and one to connect the switch to the router.
Depending on the size of the house, it could be worth looking into putting separate APs in some of the rooms rather than using the router as the AP.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1211574 10-Jan-2015 13:08
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I didn't know chorus offered cat 6 from ONT to router. I was told to get my own cables

How are you going to run the cables, through walls and/or roof space?

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  # 1211577 10-Jan-2015 13:15
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chevrolux:
Option 3
R7000 and ONT in a plastic distribution box in storage room (most expensive, also wifi might be affected and I will need to run separate CAT6 to my office etc etc, but hides all the clutter)


Chorus don't understand the word 'quality' anymore so I would suggest you get in another contractor to do the Cat 6 cabling. There are plenty of contractors around that will do this for you.




If you let Chorus do it ^

I wouldn't put it past them to make a WiFi connection look ugly somehow with the recent posts on here. 




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  # 1211582 10-Jan-2015 14:02
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Coon: I didn't know chorus offered cat 6 from ONT to router. I was told to get my own cables

How are you going to run the cables, through walls and/or roof space?


If your request additional cableing at the time, you request a service connection, they will do it for additional fees

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  # 1211583 10-Jan-2015 14:06
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tardtasticx:

If you let Chorus do it ^

I wouldn't put it past them to make a WiFi connection look ugly somehow with the recent posts on here. 


Did a Chorus Service tech/installer actualy put Cat5 cables through these walls and leave them like that ?

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  # 1211584 10-Jan-2015 14:18
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InstallerUFB:
Coon: I didn't know chorus offered cat 6 from ONT to router. I was told to get my own cables

How are you going to run the cables, through walls and/or roof space?


If your request additional cableing at the time, you request a service connection, they will do it for additional fees


Quick question, to connect the ATA point on ONT to the house phone line, do you get charged for that? Or only connection between ONT to the router? Additionally do Chorus use standard Ethernet module so they fit my existing wall faceplate?

 
 
 
 


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  # 1211585 10-Jan-2015 14:20
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InstallerUFB:
tardtasticx:

If you let Chorus do it ^

I wouldn't put it past them to make a WiFi connection look ugly somehow with the recent posts on here. 


Did a Chorus Service tech/installer actualy put Cat5 cables through these walls and leave them like that ?


No that's from /r/cablefail. But I have telephone cables at home similar just not as bad.

Purely for example.




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  # 1211587 10-Jan-2015 14:36
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tardtasticx:
InstallerUFB:
tardtasticx:

If you let Chorus do it ^

I wouldn't put it past them to make a WiFi connection look ugly somehow with the recent posts on here. 


Did a Chorus Service tech/installer actualy put Cat5 cables through these walls and leave them like that ?


No that's from /r/cablefail. But I have telephone cables at home similar just not as bad.

Purely for example.


I think if they are asking you to pay for the cabling, they will be a bit more diligent than this.

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  # 1211601 10-Jan-2015 15:35
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zyo:
tardtasticx:
InstallerUFB:
tardtasticx:

If you let Chorus do it ^

I wouldn't put it past them to make a WiFi connection look ugly somehow with the recent posts on here. 


Did a Chorus Service tech/installer actualy put Cat5 cables through these walls and leave them like that ?


No that's from /r/cablefail. But I have telephone cables at home similar just not as bad.

Purely for example.


I think if they are asking you to pay for the cabling, they will be a bit more diligent than this.


Well they're being paid by our tax payer dollars/monthly ISP fees, quite a nice amount too, for building out and installing the national fibre network, and have you seen the state of the installs they call acceptable?

Op, get someone based on experience, ask friends and family. They'll probably know someone in the area and will usually give a more honest opinion.




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  # 1211602 10-Jan-2015 15:40
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tardtasticx:
zyo:
tardtasticx:
InstallerUFB:
tardtasticx:

If you let Chorus do it ^

I wouldn't put it past them to make a WiFi connection look ugly somehow with the recent posts on here. 


Did a Chorus Service tech/installer actualy put Cat5 cables through these walls and leave them like that ?


No that's from /r/cablefail. But I have telephone cables at home similar just not as bad.

Purely for example.


I think if they are asking you to pay for the cabling, they will be a bit more diligent than this.


Well they're being paid by our tax payer dollars, quite a nice amount too, and have you seen the state of the installs they call acceptable?

Op, get someone based on experience, ask friends and family. They'll probably know someone in the area and will usually give a more honest opinion.


For CAT6 cablings like this you will be paying for the wiring not tax payer, so you can talk to Chorus and workout the best approach. External wirings are free (as you are not paying for it DIRECTLY) so Chorus is trying to get away with the cheapest option.

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  # 1211737 10-Jan-2015 20:17
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zyo: Quick question, to connect the ATA point on ONT to the house phone line, do you get charged for that? Or only connection between ONT to the router? Additionally do Chorus use standard Ethernet module so they fit my existing wall faceplate?



There is no aditional charges for instaling a conection from the ATA port back to your esisting phone wireing.  Generaly a single RJ45 (dual if you are with Spark) is connected to the end of hybrid cable (both Cat5 & 2 Fibres) that is run from the ETP to the ONT, to endable the ATA port from the ONT or RGW, to be back fed to the ETP and on to your existing wireing - this is done at the time of the install.
Chorus currently provide to the installers a wall mounted box to house the Keystone RJ45 Jack/s  - though the jack/s could be fitted into a standard PDL face plate (end user would be charged aditional for the additional hardware - or provide the addaptors and faceplate themselves)

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  # 1212210 12-Jan-2015 08:21
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InstallerUFB: There is no aditional charges for instaling a conection from the ATA port back to your esisting phone wireing.  Generaly a single RJ45 (dual if you are with Spark) is connected to the end of hybrid cable (both Cat5 & 2 Fibres) that is run from the ETP to the ONT, to endable the ATA port from the ONT or RGW, to be back fed to the ETP and on to your existing wireing - this is done at the time of the install.


Thanks for the explanation of how the RJ45 jack fits into the wiring design.  I'm still waiting for our UFB install and I wondered how the RJ45 was used.

I'll have to make sure I remind the installer not to mess with the existing copper otherwise I'm afraid they will be extra helpful and connect the end of the hybrid cable to our copper at the demarc point.

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  # 1214677 14-Jan-2015 12:01
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Lorenceo: FYI, the Netgear R7000 doesn't support VLAN tagging on its stock firmware. If your ISP requires it (most do) you'll need to set something else up to do the VLAN tagging between the ONT and R7000, or install custom firmware on the R7000.

As to how to set it all up, if money were no object I'd have CAT6 run to every room for fixed devices, all back to a central point with a switch, patch panel and the ONT.

If the patch panel is central within the house, I'd put the router in there too. Otherwise I'd run two cables from ONT to a central point within the house for the router. One to connect the router to the ONT, and one to connect the switch to the router.
Depending on the size of the house, it could be worth looking into putting separate APs in some of the rooms rather than using the router as the AP.


Thanks for the heads up looks like it's gonna be 3rd party firmware for me.
Would you recommend DDWRT or Tomato? I just want a reliable firmware with good performance (WAN->LAN) and WIFI coverage.

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  # 1215013 14-Jan-2015 18:20
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I'm quite partial to Tomato myself. Biggest issue I've found with Tomato on the R7000 is IPv6 doesn't work properly.

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