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Topic # 171788 1-May-2015 09:25
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/68141088/elderly-forced-to-sign-up-to-ultrafast-broadband-at-new-council-flats


read this and the following comments and you will be rolling your eyes , it is really bad reporting.




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  Reply # 1294825 1-May-2015 09:41
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If he talked to the residents, he would suggest they got mobile phones, but for those without a helper, there were barriers.

 

"They need a cellphone they can read – they need to know how to operate them ... then there's the cost."


1. A phone is a phone, size is not that disimilar between a LL handset and a mobile handset
2. Read? The number pad on my smartyphone is clearer than on my now redundant LL handset
3. Operate? Probably easier to teach how to make and recieve calls on a smartphione than if the user changed brands on a LL handset
4. Cost. Don't need an iPhone or Galaxy, just get a capable 4" smartphone on 24 months interest free. Are LL handsets free?? No.

Bottom line, the user of a base smartphone thats just used for calling won't be paying $65 a month as they are now. If they make large number of calls, maybe they will pay $65, so no difference 


I feel too many people percieve a computery device is hard. And articles like this don't help, it implies simple vs technology, wheras its actually simple vs also simple  

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  Reply # 1294827 1-May-2015 09:43
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Its not bad reporting at all.   It's not reporting. 

Consumer NZ doesnt help either, they act like they are the opposition in Parliment, designed to have to disagree. I guess change is always bad....  sigh

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1294855 1-May-2015 10:22
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They should just get a wireless home phone (presuming they have reasonable cell coverage).

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  Reply # 1294866 1-May-2015 10:34
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Xeon: They should just get a wireless home phone (presuming they have reasonable cell coverage).


Exactly, one of those Vodafone home phone wireless units would fix this problem and it's even cheaper than having a stand alone POTS line by the looks. 

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  Reply # 1294869 1-May-2015 10:36
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Xeon: They should just get a wireless home phone (presuming they have reasonable cell coverage).


Exactly, one of those Vodafone home phone wireless units would fix this problem and it's even cheaper than having a stand alone POTS line by the looks. 


Where does it connect to? Voda broadband via wifi?

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  Reply # 1294871 1-May-2015 10:38
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Cell network

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/shop/mobileDetails.jsp?selectionKey=homephone&skuId=sku6400020

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  Reply # 1294872 1-May-2015 10:39
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Land line phones are generally easier for disabled to use, they are easier to grip, easier to dial one handed and easier in some cases to navigate. Being involved in IT I know the Cellular offerings but many of the elderly do not
and are vulnerable to BS. I know when things are bad for me a cellular phone can be very hard to use so my Plantronics headset comes in handy.

Its also worth noting here these folks are in Council housing so fiscal resources are likely to be thin making it even more difficult.




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  Reply # 1294876 1-May-2015 10:46
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Surely this is something the whole UFB process should have ensured a regulated Phone Only service over fibre? I know when Chorus first did BoF subdivisions, there was a (almost) phone only service. It was a 128k service meant for phone only, but you could use the broadband too. It was priced much the same as a POTs line.





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vexxxboy: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/68141088/elderly-forced-to-sign-up-to-ultrafast-broadband-at-new-council-flats


read this and the following comments and you will be rolling your eyes , it is really bad reporting.


IMO, it doesn't matter what topic a Stuff article is covering; the ignorance often displayed in the reader comments is appalling.




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  Reply # 1294889 1-May-2015 11:04
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coffeebaron: Surely this is something the whole UFB process should have ensured a regulated Phone Only service over fibre? I know when Chorus first did BoF subdivisions, there was a (almost) phone only service. It was a 128k service meant for phone only, but you could use the broadband too. It was priced much the same as a POTs line.



There is already another thread discussing this issue this morning.

As I posted in that it's a bomation of bad reporting and misinformed people.

An ATA only option exists on the CFH pricelists with Chorus and RSPs. It's up to them whether they want to take this up or offer it.

The problem is that most big providers have opted to provide voice via RGW, not the ONT. Chorus are providing voice via the ONT once they start cutting customers over to VoIP in the coming months.

So what does this mean for the end user? It really means that there is a problem because RSPs aren't offering a product. This isn't a failing of UFB per se, it's slightly more complex..




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  Reply # 1294890 1-May-2015 11:04
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vexxxboy: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/68141088/elderly-forced-to-sign-up-to-ultrafast-broadband-at-new-council-flats


read this and the following comments and you will be rolling your eyes , it is really bad reporting.


IMO, it doesn't matter what topic a Stuff article is covering; the ignorance often displayed in the reader comments is appalling.


Stuff reader comments add nothing to society. Why they bother with them is beyond me.


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How is the fibre setup in places like this, is it terminated in the basement somewhere?

Could someone put a UFB internet connection in the basement and from there run phone lines to the unit's through the fibre with media converters at each end?

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mckenndk: How is the fibre setup in places like this, is it terminated in the basement somewhere?

Could someone put a UFB internet connection in the basement and from there run phone lines to the unit's through the fibre with media converters at each end?


In a MDU it's always fibre direct to the apartment, so the ONT is located within the apartment.



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mckenndk: How is the fibre setup in places like this, is it terminated in the basement somewhere?

Could someone put a UFB internet connection in the basement and from there run phone lines to the unit's through the fibre with media converters at each end?


In a MDU it's always fibre direct to the apartment, so the ONT is located within the apartment.




This document has a good run down on options that are used, they usually use the fibre to apartment option as it means the people pay for the power used by the ONT device and not the building owner.
http://www.ospmag.com/files/pdf/whitepaper/MDU_Fiber_WhitePaper.pdf

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  Reply # 1294946 1-May-2015 11:38
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mckenndk:
sbiddle:
mckenndk: How is the fibre setup in places like this, is it terminated in the basement somewhere?

Could someone put a UFB internet connection in the basement and from there run phone lines to the unit's through the fibre with media converters at each end?


In a MDU it's always fibre direct to the apartment, so the ONT is located within the apartment.




This document has a good run down on options that are used, they usually use the fibre to apartment option as it means the people pay for the power used by the ONT device and not the building owner.
http://www.ospmag.com/files/pdf/whitepaper/MDU_Fiber_WhitePaper.pdf


It also means features such as RF over fibre (which isn't used over UFB at present) can be deployed in the future simply with an ONT swap. CFH have permitted approved structured cabling to be used in some circumstances, but I believe this hasn't extended beyond a single trial building at present.



 

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