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Topic # 17764 10-Dec-2007 15:41
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that broadband isn't gonna get much cheaper than it is at the momen.
With all the changes that are coming about what exactly would you like to see and think is acceptable.

As for me - Although by world standards New Zealand speeds aren't great - this isn't really the biggest issue for me.
My biggest problem is data caps.
Now, I realise that we aren't liley to see data caps removed but would expect to see a basic cap increase from the current 6 - 10 gig average to about 50 gigs for the same price I currently pay. If this is at the same speeds I get now I can live with that.

What I don't want to see is a faster connection with a reduced cap at the same price.

What do all you guys think. What do you want?

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  Reply # 99258 10-Dec-2007 15:52
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All I can say is, what are you dreaming about?

Sorry, but increasing from 6-10gig cap to 50gig is ridiculous!!!


Everyone, including you, realise that there are not going to be any prices drops. Yet you ask for your data caps to be increased by at least 10 times what it is now. Is that not a price drop? All you are asking that the larger data cap plans drop in price. Or do you somehow think that telco's are stupid and would raise the data caps on cheaper plans?

IMO, I do not see any real changes happening any time soon. Sure there will be a few companies who will be $5/month cheaper, there always is, but for most of us its going to be browsing the interwebs as per normal.

What is wrong with the current lower capped plans having faster speeds? You have to realise that a lot of users are not spending everyday minute on social websites, youtube or downloading torrents. So why are they not entitled to benefits?





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  Reply # 99265 10-Dec-2007 16:10
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The point I was trying to make is that I think internationally prices in New Zealand are about the same as overseas - the difference being - in other countries at these prices there are usually no data caps.
I have recently returned from living in Japan where I got a 50mb adsl connection five years ago and paid 5000yen (approx $60) with no data caps.
I don't expect to see no data caps in New Zealan but feel that the data caps we have now are too restrictive.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 99268 10-Dec-2007 16:20
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The comparrison between our data caps and others has been discussed here a lot in the past.

The main thing about the 'no data caps' overseas is that they are based on fair use policies. I am not saying that they all are, but a lot are. Which means you might be limited to 2gig per day, or speed limiting during peek times etc etc.

As we have already seen here with Go Large, unlimited data caps do not seem to work to well over here. Sure there were reasons why it did not work, but in reality I cannot see a TRUE unlimited data plan ever coming back.

Sorry, but was that a 50mb data cap? or speed limit?



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  Reply # 99274 10-Dec-2007 16:33
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That was a 50mb speed.
As I said above (which you have misread) - for me - a faster connection is not the most important - for others it is very important.
Of course faster connection speeds are wanted - but from reading posts in this forum - I already seem to get pretty good speeds compared to most people.

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  Reply # 99276 10-Dec-2007 16:40
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  got to love unlimited data  Smile

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  Reply # 99277 10-Dec-2007 16:43
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farcus: That was a 50mb speed.
As I said above (which you have misread) - for me - a faster connection is not the most important - for others it is very important.


Sorry but how have I misread it...

rscole86: Sorry, but increasing from 6-10gig cap to 50gig is ridiculous!!!


If I am not mistaken, I have pointed out that an increase in data caps, does technically mean a price drop.

Also,

farcus: What do all you guys think. What do you want?


You asked for my opinion, which was wide a varied, and did not just focus on your POV in regards to free data cap increases.

What do I want?.... nothing really as I am happy with my connection ATM.

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  Reply # 99278 10-Dec-2007 16:47
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I guess there are two questions that need to be answered.

Firstly if you're to look at average use then the majority of NZ internet users use less than 10GB per month. This poses the question of whether this is because of the caps that are in place and (people being scared of going over them) or whether for the majority of people the existing plans and caps are fine for their needs.

As I see it not everybody sits there downloading warez, pr0n and P2P movies all day every day. My mum uses around 4GB per month and to her that's plenty. If ISP's were to give everybody a 50GB cap then you would be paying substancially more for your internet now, would that be fair? If you're wanting to use 50GB then there are ISP's that will gladly take your money for a reasonable price, just don't expect to get 50GB for the same price as 10GB.

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  Reply # 99279 10-Dec-2007 16:47
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I think the biggest thing for me would be faster speeds. If you want bigger data cap you can buy that but with speeds you cant. 

EG: I am on a Telecom plan with "as fast as my line allows" but this is never above 500kb/s.

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  Reply # 99281 10-Dec-2007 16:56
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I want ADSL2+ or cable, with decent international speeds, unmetered on-net, and around 20-30GB.

I would pay $70 - $100 for a service like that, with my likelihood to pay more increasing directly alongside the reliability of the high-speededness (new word... wait... nope, I googled it - not new, doh).

With unmetered on net, ISPs would do themselves a huge favour, as say I could download Fedora 8, make it available via FTP, and other Xtra customers could download, with the traffic not leaving Xtra at all (other than the first time I get it).

I'd love to see some legitimate file sharing hubs pop up, but with on-net and national traffic incurring usage, there is no real advantage to doing this kind of thing... its just easier to fire up your torrent client and grab from anywhere in the world, and this costs everyone (international bandwidth+gigs).









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  Reply # 99282 10-Dec-2007 17:07
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but if I ws to pay say $120 for a 50gb cap
compared to my overseas experience I would deem this to be pretty expensive - but in the current scheme of things in NZ - quite cheap.

I know I am not going to get what I want - just pointing out what I think would be a fair price to pay (in my opinion) - for a specific service.

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  Reply # 99283 10-Dec-2007 17:13
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farcus: but if I ws to pay say $120 for a 50gb cap
compared to my overseas experience I would deem this to be pretty expensive - but in the current scheme of things in NZ - quite cheap.

I know I am not going to get what I want - just pointing out what I think would be a fair price to pay (in my opinion) - for a specific service.


This is already available is it not?

WxC will get you over 100GB of data per month for that sort of money... if you go with the slowest speeds. At full speed you still get 70GB.

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  Reply # 99288 10-Dec-2007 17:30
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rscole86:
farcus: but if I ws to pay say $120 for a 50gb cap
compared to my overseas experience I would deem this to be pretty expensive - but in the current scheme of things in NZ - quite cheap.

I know I am not going to get what I want - just pointing out what I think would be a fair price to pay (in my opinion) - for a specific service.


This is already available is it not?

WxC will get you over 100GB of data per month for that sort of money... if you go with the slowest speeds. At full speed you still get 70GB.


rscole86: He was meaning (i think anyway) that it is cheap in New Zealand, but compared to his experience overseas it is expensive.

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  Reply # 99289 10-Dec-2007 17:31
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farcus: but if I ws to pay say $120 for a 50gb cap
compared to my overseas experience I would deem this to be pretty expensive - but in the current scheme of things in NZ - quite cheap.

I know I am not going to get what I want - just pointing out what I think would be a fair price to pay (in my opinion) - for a specific service.


Looking at the Xnet page you'd only pay $101.15 for 50GB FS/FS or $85.15 for FS down/128kbps up or with TCL cable you can get 10Mbps down/2Mbps up with 40GB for $99

The choices are there, you just have to look for them.


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  Reply # 99380 11-Dec-2007 08:13
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I have recently returned from living in Japan where I got a 50mb adsl connection five years ago and paid 5000yen (approx $60) with no data caps.


Other than some flavours of VDSL and bonded ADSL2+ I know of no ADSL service on the planet that supports that will provide 50Mb/s, purhaps you could link us to the supplier of that.

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farcus: but if I ws to pay say $120 for a 50gb cap
compared to my overseas experience I would deem this to be pretty expensive - but in the current scheme of things in NZ - quite cheap.


So, where are you located? I live in Wellington and pay $140/month for 80 GB at 10 Mbps - thanks to TelstraClear. Much better than any DSL.

Telecom New Zealand charges less for telephony services where TelstraClear is available. It's called competition.

Something happened at some stage that stopped Saturn, er, Clear, er, TelstraClear deploying this technology. Would it be the Auckland council that decided to block TCL laying cables? Certainly not Telecom, since TelstraClear uses a completely different technology.

Somehow, someone stuffed up for the country. And now people want LLU to solve everything.

In my view LLU should be "tied" to investment such as if an ISP or telco wants to have access to an exchange then they should commit to invest at least 100% of the cost of access into new deployments - local loop, cabinets, whatever. But the way it is companies just have to worry about going to the best suburbs, put some boxes in an exchange and wait for the money.

There's no requirement to make them invest.

So what I think it's fair is a bit of regulation. If your company want a ticket to get into this party they have to pay.




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