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Topic # 17863 15-Dec-2007 10:40

I got this from the speedtest.net website

Now given that our government, the public, and the media say that years and years behind - how could this statement be true?

I have somewhat formed an opinion about it but will let the image do the talking.

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Reply # 100085 15-Dec-2007 10:57

cokemaster: Now given that our government, the public, and the media say that years and years behind - how could this statement be true?

Yes but CM: Aren't you one of the lucky few who is getting ADSL2+ speeds already?

I seem to remember seeing a Speedtest result which showed over 10Mbps download speed?

Which is quite a bit better than the ADSL1 speeds that the majority of the Hoi Polloi have to suffer.

If you would be so kind as to post the Speedtest Result which forms the basis of the ranking analysis that you have posted, then we could have a fully-informed discussion

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Reply # 100088 15-Dec-2007 11:07

I was primarily referring to the country statistic rather than the global rank.
The bulk of my tests have been done on DSL1, however the tests done on dsl2+ have been reasonably good as well (but due to my sync rate/modem, not as good as they could be).

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Reply # 100091 15-Dec-2007 11:18

Mayhap it's mainly a select group using it in NZ who have better connections than the rest of the populace. However, I use it frequently: I should apologise for dragging down the average.

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Reply # 100139 15-Dec-2007 17:17

I think you wouid also have to look at where abouts these connections are,

If the populations of the OECD countries ranking higher than us are 10% of the world population, then that makes sense.

But if those countries are more than 10% of the worlds population, then that is good!

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Reply # 100142 15-Dec-2007 17:28

But still the claim of being ahead of 96% of the rest of the countries is impressive nevertheless.

However, accuracy is the question: Depending on the accuracy of such data, if it is accurate, it pisses on the 'omg nz is worse than teh 3rd world interwebs' parade a bit. I know that there are several flaws in the methodlogy reaching to this statistic however at the same excuse the various flaws in reports that the government, commerce commission, the media, and Telstraclear wave around.

For a lot of these 'reports' it must be transparent, its means of testing and measurement must be built on solid grounds.

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Reply # 100143 15-Dec-2007 17:33

Or, if we wanted to be negative.

We could say that only China and NZ have access to Speedtest.net lol

But yeah NZ broadband is good considering how spread out we are for such a small nation.

It could be better though I guess.

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Reply # 100145 15-Dec-2007 17:43

to be better than 96% of NZers do you live in the telephone exchange or live next door? seriously though , the programme of cabinetization by Telecom has a lot of answers to people with a realistic viewpoint. cheers George

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Reply # 100192 16-Dec-2007 07:48

Now given that our government, the public, and the media say that years and years behind - how could this statement be true?

I have somewhat formed an opinion about it but will let the image do the talking.

I'm guessing that if the site is talking about a country rank then its being measured against all countries, as opposed to government policy which only measures against the 30 countries in the OECD? (to give you some idea, there are currently 192 member nations in the UN - and even then it doesn't cover all soverign states).

To give you some idea of where we stand in the OECD - we have the 4th smallest economy (only Luxemborg, Slovinia, and Iceland are smaller). We have the third smallest population (Luxemborg and Iceland are smaller). Oh - to put it into perspective - in terms of population Iceland is about the size of Christchurch, and Luxemborg is about the size of Wgtn/ Hutt Valley combined. Luxemborg, however, has the highest per capita GDP (sort of the average wage) - 70,000 USD per person - twice that of the per capita GDP in the US (ours is about USD 26,000 per annum).

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Reply # 100252 16-Dec-2007 16:38

cokemaster: But still the claim of being ahead of 96% of the rest of the countries is impressive nevertheless.

However, accuracy is the question: Depending on the accuracy of such data, if it is accurate, it pisses on the 'omg nz is worse than teh 3rd world interwebs' parade a bit. I know that there are several flaws in the methodlogy reaching to this statistic however at the same excuse the various flaws in reports that the government, commerce commission, the media, and Telstraclear wave around.

For a lot of these 'reports' it must be transparent, its means of testing and measurement must be built on solid grounds.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

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Reply # 100256 16-Dec-2007 16:51

Xtra'ist propaganda! Is speedtest sponsored by xtra now?

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Reply # 100318 16-Dec-2007 21:58

Fossie: Xtra'ist propaganda!

Xtra'ist.....I like it! Does that mean an xtra user who surfs porn is an xtravert?

(sorry - bud pun - I promise not to do it again....)

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Reply # 100332 16-Dec-2007 22:26

You may not be years behind but the majority of NZ is. The ones who do get the high speeds are paying what people had to pay years ago.

The above statements may not be accurate as they come from a goat.

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Reply # 100359 17-Dec-2007 07:32

Lazoo:
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Oh I agree completely.

zach: You may not be years behind but the majority of NZ is. The ones who do get the high speeds are paying what people had to pay years ago.

I guess you can't make everyone happy, while prices haven't decreased 'persay', the service quality has. For instance - you get full speed downsteam, and possibly full speed up. Along with larger quotas and additional features (look at WorldxChange for instance with their VoIP suite).

So I don't expect the price of having broadband to drop significantly but over the years, surely you've noticed that the quotas and speeds have been on the up... from 128kbps to 256kbps to 2mbps to 3.5mbps to 7.6mbps to DSL2+ (sooner or later)...

to be better than 96% of NZers do you live in the telephone exchange or live next door?

Yes, I am reasonably close to the local exchange. Though I have gotten excellent speeds in other places that I've lived (or visited) whether its been different parts of Auckland, Palmerston North, Hastings, or that small town of Waipawa which has a low population compared to the cities. Of course thats not saying that NZ broadband is perfect, however I think that at times that the state of broadband is sometimes misused and abused (by those who have a vested interested in regulating it so they can install their gear and get a bit more bread for delivering the same service)- picked up as 'fact'... despite these players doing very little to develop alternatives (but they are there) and have only suggested that they'll installing duplicated DSL gear or vDSL gear which is limited by range even more.

Which isn't going to help those on the end of a very long loop, which is where cabinets will help.

The statistics shown on speedtest are quite interesting too - people should have a look sometime...

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Reply # 100379 17-Dec-2007 09:50

cokemaster: But still the claim of being ahead of 96% of the rest of the countries is impressive nevertheless.

Rememeber, "Your Country Rank" is your rank vs the rest of the country, not the country rank relative to other countries.

So, that says you are faster than 96% of other New Zealanders, not that, on average, New Zealand is faster than 96% of other countries.

It's a confusing choice of words in my opinion.

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Reply # 100394 17-Dec-2007 11:18

whoa, I wish my connection in NZ was as good as that.

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