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# 18739 22-Jan-2008 09:33
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Just had an interesting discussion with Xnet about their naked DSL Fusion product and rural/urban pricing.
Apparently the commerce commision has not yet set the pricing structure for rural/urban customers, so if I was to join Xnet Fusion today the charge would be $69.95 (urban rate).
When the new pricing structure is finalised my bill would go up $20.00 to $89.00 which will be the rural price. Can anyone explain how Broadband charges are the same anywhere in NZ but using NDSL will eventually cost me $20.00 more.


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  # 106070 22-Jan-2008 09:43
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The reality is that providing a copper connection in a rural area costs more than providing a service in a metropolitan area and the Commerce Commission has recommended that Telecom be allowed to charge different prices for both regions. At present the TSO (formerly the Kiwi Share) says that Telecom can only charge the same price for a phone service no matter where in the country the customer is located. This actually creates a situation where you can argue the TSO is technically in breach of the law by forcing price fixing and cross subsidisation since metropolitan customers are in effect helping fund the service. Since broadband is a fixed price on top of your phone rental the price will be the same no matter where in NZ you are located.

With Naked ADSL however the TSO doesn't apply and the Commerce Commission has ruled that the price Telecom can charge customers will be different in rural and metropolitan areas. I personally agree with this policy and believe it makes perfect sence however I do know a lot of people on here disagree. Providing a service does cost more in a rural area and people in rural areas already pay more for many products and services, IMHO they're just going to have to accept that a phone service is no different to petrol or groceries.

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  # 106095 22-Jan-2008 12:13
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Slingshot charges one price for both urban and rural



see here



 
 
 
 


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  # 106098 22-Jan-2008 12:34
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What you see here is that the ComCom have set a determined price for Rural and Urban but can't quite tell the Teleco's what areas are defined by this,

This is coming but in the mean time untill they do the Basic Price is offered as we as companies don't want to hold the product up for the undefined "Rural" Areas. When they are defined we will get charged the higher price and so this will be passed on to the Rural customers all companies are in this boat and it is the ComCom price determination which has set this.

I think you would need to confirm with any providor of Naked DSL services as to what the price will be when the determination is made about what areas are Urban and what are Rural.




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  # 106102 22-Jan-2008 12:56
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Ninja1: Slingshot charges one price for both urban and rural

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I rang Slingshot in the hope that this was true but I think they only offer it to the main centres at the moment so i guess rural isn't applicable for their Naked dsl offer.

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  # 106106 22-Jan-2008 13:32
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Point to note on this and you bring up a good issue tims and proibably people looking for Naked DSL options need to be aware of this.

If you want a local phone number with a Naked DSL offering the company offering the Service must have a Local POI that covers that area, i,e can supply one of their own local numbers in that calling area, this also takes in to account that if you want to port your current number to the Naked DSL service the company must have already have POI coverage for that area, as Number ports can only occur within the same calling LICA,

So in this case Slingshot may not have coverage apart from in the main area's so hence the reason for only urban area pricing, this was asked I think by someone a few days ago about their coverage , I said they needed to ask them but didn't see a reply comeback, so still don't know what areas they cover so most likely they have just main city coverage as you suggested, best bet is as you did ask the helpdesk or see if they have it on their website.  




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  # 106133 22-Jan-2008 16:08
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tims:
Ninja1: Slingshot charges one price for both urban and rural

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I rang Slingshot in the hope that this was true but I think they only offer it to the main centres at the moment so i guess rural isn't applicable for their Naked dsl offer.


think that the rep was confused...

Naked DSL is available wherever broadband available

It's Slingshot's porting converage that is not available in all areas - this won't stop you getting nDSL, you just have to take take a new number thats all

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  # 106140 22-Jan-2008 16:35
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Ninja1:
tims:
Ninja1: Slingshot charges one price for both urban and rural

see here



I rang Slingshot in the hope that this was true but I think they only offer it to the main centres at the moment so i guess rural isn't applicable for their Naked dsl offer.


think that the rep was confused...

Naked DSL is available wherever broadband available

It's Slingshot's porting converage that is not available in all areas - this won't stop you getting nDSL, you just have to take take a new number thats all


Yes but be aware the number will probably not be a local number for that area, a pretty important point. Calls to and from your neighbours, local shops etc will be a toll call, this is because it will be a number assigned from a totally different calling area.




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  # 106147 22-Jan-2008 16:49
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maverick: Point to note on this and you bring up a good issue tims and proibably people looking for Naked DSL options need to be aware of this.

If you want a local phone number with a Naked DSL offering the company offering the Service must have a Local POI that covers that area, i,e can supply one of their own local numbers in that calling area, this also takes in to account that if you want to port your current number to the Naked DSL service the company must have already have POI coverage for that area, as Number ports can only occur within the same calling LICA,

So in this case Slingshot may not have coverage apart from in the main area's so hence the reason for only urban area pricing, this was asked I think by someone a few days ago about their coverage , I said they needed to ask them but didn't see a reply comeback, so still don't know what areas they cover so most likely they have just main city coverage as you suggested, best bet is as you did ask the helpdesk or see if they have it on their website.


Last Christmas when I changed from Italk to VFX these were the areas where Italk had local calling :- Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Hamilton, Dunedin, Napier, Whangarei, Pukekohe, Hibiscus Coast. I got these places out of their Italk forums and havent seen any extra areas been added on so they still might only have these areas.

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