connect to VDSL just outside of VDSL area

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beaglenz

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#192212 2-Mar-2016 07:22

I am just outside the VDSL area for my exchange and I was wondering if Chorus ever allow you to connect to VDSL knowing that the line speeds are not going to be anywhere near expected and I am willing to take this risk e.g. even if I was only to get a minimal increase on my current ADSL line I would be happy with that and wouldn't expect them to provide 50Down/10Up.

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#1502552 2-Mar-2016 07:22

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Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

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#1502567 2-Mar-2016 08:01

get your ISP to run a prequal on your line and see what it comes back as

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#1502568 2-Mar-2016 08:05

This topic is very very well covered probably the most well covered topic on this whole forum.. A quick search of some basic terms will assist you greatly.

beaglenz

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#1502587 2-Mar-2016 08:31

Thanks so much for your reply, the reason I was asking the questions was that I could not find the answer by searching. It appears to be so well covered I cant find it so could you quote a thread where this is covered I would really appreciate it.

johnr

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#1502605 2-Mar-2016 09:00

If you are outside of VDSL coverage and they connect you to a VDSL port high chance you will be asking to be moved back to ADSL

beaglenz

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#1502696 2-Mar-2016 09:27

could you explain why. this would be really helpful.

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#1502702 2-Mar-2016 09:40

because the speed will be less than that on ADSL

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#1502703 2-Mar-2016 09:41

ring your ISP and ask for a Prequal for VDSL

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#1505026 2-Mar-2016 15:52

My old place was 1 house away from VDSL according to the chorus map. They manually provisioned it, and I got 23down/2.5 up. ADSL2 was about 12/1. However you don't know if you will be able to get it unless they have checked.

This might not be the case for you.

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#1506000 4-Mar-2016 14:46

its funny that searching is pushed so hard on that particular topic, as if you do search you will find its rather ambiguous.

There are posts from official chorus accounts stating they are looking to extend the reach, there are lines that by the blanket what does a prequal say stance would imply No but have actually go through (@darylblake is an example of this above.)

There is a lot of sorting through the outlier cases, to get to the static response otherwise expected. If you take that a step further and look at say, having a long line past the roadside, and the differences between roadside and ETP there can be huge variance there too.

Technically, due to the use of US0 on 998, longer lines have more of a chance of being "stable" and likely would net a slightly quicker downstream than previously experienced, Upstream likely wont budge much, majority of the bit-allocation coming from the US0 which the existing adsl service is already using to its extent.

Your environment also plays a big part, less crosstalk affecting the signal.. the more likely it will travel longer distances. Crosstalk could be anything, Urban installations likely have more crosstalk due to there being a lot more connections While Rural connections can run past electric fences causing the same effect.

Realistically, its simple physics. as a line gets longer, the signal attenuates and so you 'loose' a lot of the potential at distance. The differences between ADSL and VDSL connection speeds comes down to configuration factors such as powerlevels.

Remember, the shapemaps are simply estimations.

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#1506024 4-Mar-2016 15:11

The biggest unknown is how the copper MPF routes - this is simply an unknown. Just because a neighbor or person across the street can get VDSL2 does not mean that it's a guaranteed - the MPF routing could be completely different possibly hundreds of meters longer.

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#1506040 4-Mar-2016 15:36

There also could be some of those dreaded multiples on the line which stuff it up totally for DSL, even tho the attenuation is good.

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