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#192317 6-Mar-2016 13:06

Can anyone explain to me the difference and implications in wiring for a voice line with fibre?

From what I understand, most ISP's connect your voice line to the ONT but Slingshot and Vodafone need a router with a phone connection.

My mate has just signed up to Slingshot fibre and they've supplied him with a cheap n300 device to replace his ac1750 router. He's really pissed off that he can't use his much better router and can't find anything of simlar spec that has the phone jack.

I'm with Myrepublic and happy with the asus router then gave me but how easy is it to change ISP's? My concerns are how easy is it to reconfig myy router (or will I have to use their supplied one) and whether I'll need rewiring.

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#1506887 6-Mar-2016 13:10

Providers like Slingshot, Orcon, Vodafone, 2degrees require the use of their own router.

If you can get BigPipe then do that + 2talk otherwise Spark and MyRepublic are the only ones (I can think of right now) that use the ONT for voice. Providers that use routers for voice won't allow you to use your own router so in his case it is better to change to an ISP that uses the ONT for voice if he needs it.

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#1506924 6-Mar-2016 14:52

Your mate can arrange things like so if he wants: ONT < his own router < Slingshot router.

Connect his computers to his own router, and connect his phone to the Slingshot router.

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#1506938 6-Mar-2016 15:16

There are plenty of threads on here discussing this very topic.

There are two ways to deliver a voice service - ONT or RGW. Because of the complexities of provisioning the ONT (which requires TR-069 on Chorus and XML based provisioning on the LFC's) there is essentially no single standard so a provider who deals with multiple providers will typically find life a lot easier opting for RGW based voice.

At the end of the day neither solution is better or worse and there are pros and cons to both approaches.

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#1506978 6-Mar-2016 16:44

sbiddle:

There are plenty of threads on here discussing this very topic.

There are two ways to deliver a voice service - ONT or RGW. Because of the complexities of provisioning the ONT (which requires TR-069 on Chorus and XML based provisioning on the LFC's) there is essentially no single standard so a provider who deals with multiple providers will typically find life a lot easier opting for RGW based voice.

At the end of the day neither solution is better or worse and there are pros and cons to both approaches.

While I agree there are pros and cons with both approaches. Not allowing customers to easily use their own CPE is a bit of a limitation IMHO.

That being said the "better" access point can have it's DHCP disabled, then plug the LAN Port on the new router into the LAN port of the ISP supplied RGW and have direct wireless rather than a double NAT.

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#1512360 13-Mar-2016 15:32

michaelmurfy:

Providers like Slingshot, Orcon, Vodafone, 2degrees require the use of their own router.

If you can get BigPipe then do that + 2talk otherwise Spark and MyRepublic are the only ones (I can think of right now) that use the ONT for voice. Providers that use routers for voice won't allow you to use your own router so in his case it is better to change to an ISP that uses the ONT for voice if he needs it.

This is not entirely true for Slingshot.

If you talk to the right person then they can provision you with an italk VOIP line so you can use your own ATA.

I am currently on Slingshot 100mb fiber with an obitalk ATA for voice.

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#1512361 13-Mar-2016 15:33

Forgot to mention I am using an off the shelf Netgear R7000

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#1512364 13-Mar-2016 15:47

not quite. With 2 degrees, you can use other routers and they will work with their VOIP service but they wont offer any support in getting it to work and helping you if you have problems so you have to know what you are doing.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1512569 13-Mar-2016 21:07

One of the reasons why an ISP supplies a "Residential Gateway" now rather than a "router" is that by providing a remotely managed gateway, they dont have so many support calls.

It just makes sense from an ISPs perspective.

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