Fibre v Cable upstream speed offshore to USA

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Jamie1990

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#195141 7-Apr-2016 17:32

Hello Geekzone,

nice to meet you all,

I am looking at renewing my internet plan ( Currently on Vodafone Warp Speed Cable last two years ) and have the 100mbps download speed and 10mbps Upstream ( within NZ ) of course its slower off shore to the states maybe 17-20 mbps Download and 5-7 Mbps upstream ( although can drop at times )

I work part time with a consultation company out of New York city and do alot of live video feeds from here to the USA so my biggest factor in changing/renewing internet plans is upstream for better quality live camera video consultation/feeds to the USA I mean its good at the moment but obviously I don't want to change my plan and have crappy live camera feeds from here to the USA.

I notice that Fibre is available now in my area in Wellington, and one of the fastest plans is the new Fibre 100mbps or 200mbps download and 20mbps upload ( within nz ) as upstream is my major priority would I be better changing to Fibre 100/20 and would this give me a faster live video feed off shore to the USA than my Cable internet at the moment?

Please if anyone knows more about this and fibre vs cable and offshore speed it would be much appreciated

Thanks,

Jamie

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#1527817 7-Apr-2016 17:34

200/200 is available on Spark. I use it and it has solved all of my video streaming issues

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#1527819 7-Apr-2016 17:38

Change to fibre, you won't look back.

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#1527821 7-Apr-2016 17:45

As a fellow 100/10 Mbps cable user, I would advise you to change to fibre at the earliest opportunity.

Your New York connection speeds sound poor, even by cable standards.

Fibre is reliable, cable is not.

EDIT: Leave Vodafone and buy fibre from somebody else (VF won't provide fibre to their cable customers)

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#1527824 7-Apr-2016 17:50

What kind of video conferencing system are we talking about? What degree of quality do you hope to achieve?

There are factors other than those connectivity related.

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#1527825 7-Apr-2016 17:53

Plenty of ISPs offering even faster upload speeds
200/200 is available from spark, Bigpipe and 2degrees off the top of my head. And probably others.

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#1527829 7-Apr-2016 18:00

Due to the current issues with much of vodafones cable network, i would recommend jumping to fibre.

I would suggest going 2degrees as their peering is probably most suited and their NOC team can be very good at helping with any faults in the peering providing a substandard connection.

Otherwise, Spark/bigpipe.

Most likely your dealing with TCP streams to the US, which will be your limiting factor with any provider.

I was doing work for a US based company, dealing with servers in the Netherlands awhile back, the move from 2degrees to Vodafone (DSL) when i moved houses truly did make things challenging.

Given your situation, it might be wise to look at a business plan too. could be worth a quick chat with 'Ralph' @2degreesCare they will certainly look after you.

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#1527830 7-Apr-2016 18:03

200/200 fibre for the win here.

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#1527832 7-Apr-2016 18:04

Fibre. Forget cable. If possible fibre with some ISP that is not Vodafone.

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#1527833 7-Apr-2016 18:04

You can get 1000/500 too if you're willing to pay for it.

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#1527834 7-Apr-2016 18:07

So I am doing live video consultations with a 720p and a 1080p web camera at the moment, notice the feed sometimes stalls itself

Thanks for the advice, its appreciated

Does anyone know what company like Vodafone, Spark etc.. would offer the most reliable / fastest upstream speed from here to New York

and across the states

Thanks guys

Jamie

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#1527838 7-Apr-2016 18:17

Jamie1990:

Does anyone know what company like Vodafone, Spark etc.. would offer the most reliable / fastest upstream speed from here to New York

and across the states

peering is always changing, I personally wouldnt trust a vocus/HE backed isp for reliably fast upstream based off my experience.

Globalgateways often peers off better once its hits the US landing a more consistent connection.

*remember these are my personal opinions, based off my technical experience im not inherently saying one network is worse - Before anyone reads it as Vocus is bad and bites.

Consistency is more imporant than Peak speeds for you, Realistically a 1080P video stream isnt going to take too much bandwidth but if your doing it with a limited buffer size, you want to aim for consistency.

As above, speak with providers business teams, talk to them about your endpoint target and requirements.

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#1527845 7-Apr-2016 18:26

Wow! lots of good info,

I've seen the 200/20 at Spark

whats the 200/200 option, so all companies are on the same fibre cable off shore?,

like the Voadfone 100/20 or 200/20 wouldn't be any better than Spark 200/20 option in terms

of stream quality to say the USA or is Spark considered more reliable than Vodafone ( heard rough stories with vodafone )

but they have been fine with me, but there so much choice now and I just want the best quality upstream web camera quality

for my consultations I can get =)

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#1527849 7-Apr-2016 18:27

Vodafone wont offer Fibre to there cable customers whats with that!!!!

just read that above, =(

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#1527860 7-Apr-2016 18:46

Jamie1990:

Vodafone wont offer Fibre to there cable customers whats with that!!!!

just read that above, =(

Its simple really, Vodafone own the cable network, its in their best interest to use the infrastructure they own where possible over paying chorus to provider a service.

Jamie1990:

Wow! lots of good info,

I've seen the 200/20 at Spark

whats the 200/200 option, so all companies are on the same fibre cable off shore?,

like the Voadfone 100/20 or 200/20 wouldn't be any better than Spark 200/20 option in terms

of stream quality to say the USA or is Spark considered more reliable than Vodafone ( heard rough stories with vodafone )

but they have been fine with me, but there so much choice now and I just want the best quality upstream web camera quality

for my consultations I can get =)

Jamie

well to the us, it all goes over the Southern cross cable but you have different upstream providers after that. peering gets complicated really.

I would absolutely say Spark would net you better quality over Vodafone. Now that spark have removed the caches off their network that messed with traffic its far more reasonable to suggest them too.

Their upstream is mainly from global gateway, Which Spark own. They have a ton of idle bandwidth available so there is no real need to mess with any traffic at all.

I will get shot for this likely (sorry john..), but the same can not be said for Vodafone. They absolutely do stick their fingers where they shouldnt, Despite what an official statement will say.

In Vodafones cable network itself, there are other issues. Give it 5 years and we will likely see UFB too does become congested, Although still not as bad as Vodafones cable network has been lately.

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=40&topicid=171348 The following thread is an infamous documentation of the cable network, While Vodafone are doing a heap to improve it They have their work cut out for them. The network simply didnt get the TLC it deserved when telstra clear owned it.

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#1527861 7-Apr-2016 18:48

Jamie1990:

Vodafone won't offer Fibre to there cable customers whats with that!!!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Because there is more profit for Vodafone with cable ... the cable network is owned by Vodafone, so VF don't have to pay a second party (eg Chorus) to use their fibre network.

Cable is currently performing so badly that anybody in their right mind would prefer fibre.

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