What happened to 100/50?

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#195284 13-Apr-2016 15:09

When we first got UFB (2013), providers were offering plans based on the two regulated products available, 30/10 and 100/50.

Since then, Chorus et al have added a bunch of unregulated products at different wholesale price points. And most residential ISPs now offer 30/10(some), 100/20, 200/20, 200/200.

Now I understand that this progression does have the marketing advantage that you pay more money and the connection gets faster. But what about us wierdo plebs who want decent upstream without spending >$135/mo for 200/200?

Currently we're with MyRepublic, seemingly the only ISP to provide a reasonably priced, unlimited 100/50 plan.

What happened to everyone else?

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#1532596 13-Apr-2016 15:16

I have no idea what they did with those plans.

We're with the original 100/50 that we had when we signed up with Vodafone 1.5 years ago. The three choices for us were 30/10, 100/50, 200/100 or something similar if memory serves correctly.

And I agree, upstream is important to me, so 100/50 was perfect (whereas 200 is overkill).

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#1532597 13-Apr-2016 15:18

venomio:

I have no idea what they did with those plans.

We're with the original 100/50 that we had when we signed up with Vodafone 1.5 years ago. The three choices for us were 30/10, 100/50, 200/100 or something similar if memory serves correctly.

And I agree, upstream is important to me, so 100/50 was perfect (whereas 200 is overkill).

Should have taken 200 while vodafone did it! its 100 max now it seems..

im not expert on fibre plans, but i recall it has todo with the offered CIR rates on the 100/50 compared to the 100/20 and such. put simply its cheaper to offer.

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#1532598 13-Apr-2016 15:20

100/20 wholesale price is cheaper, therefor easier to market/sell.

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#1532601 13-Apr-2016 15:24

Sounddude:

100/20 wholesale price is cheaper, therefor easier to market/sell.

That doesn't mean you can't sell 100/50 too! Is the 100/50 wholesale price higher than e.g. 200/20?

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#1532602 13-Apr-2016 15:27

To be honest, 20Mbps up is unnoticeable from 50 up for most customers I imagine...

Maybe not you, but I would say most won't be needing to upload much day today.

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#1532603 13-Apr-2016 15:28

deadlyllama:

That doesn't mean you can't sell 100/50 too! Is the 100/50 wholesale price higher than e.g. 200/20?

True.

The 100/50 plan was also one of the original regulated plans that didn't perform correctly without heavy shapers on the ISP's end to correct the performance. Alot of ISP's shy'd away from those original plans due to performance issues.

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#1532604 13-Apr-2016 15:28

deadlyllama:

Sounddude:

100/20 wholesale price is cheaper, therefor easier to market/sell.

That doesn't mean you can't sell 100/50 too! Is the 100/50 wholesale price higher than e.g. 200/20?

its the unfortunate part of the market we live in a asymmetric world, most consumers buy based on downstream rates..

makes sense to aim towards that market and assume someone who wants a large upstream is probably going to be just as hungry for downstream. Ild personally love to see a midway between 100/20 and 200/200 on the upstream side however.

200/20 is just ugly...

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#1532611 13-Apr-2016 15:44

We (mynxnet) are still doing it. @ $109 Mth for unlimited with static IP. The 100/20 is $10 cheaper.

I have seen a couple of other providers do it too. So yeh its still around. I think some of the larger providers have simplified their offerings.

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#1532615 13-Apr-2016 15:51

Suspect a chat to the right people at 2degrees could offer you 100/50.

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#1532617 13-Apr-2016 15:53

hio77:

its the unfortunate part of the market we live in a asymmetric world, most consumers buy based on downstream rates..

makes sense to aim towards that market and assume someone who wants a large upstream is probably going to be just as hungry for downstream. Ild personally love to see a midway between 100/20 and 200/200 on the upstream side however.

200/20 is just ugly...

You're absolutely right, but now that we're long past the crawling speeds we had in the early days of broadband, shouldn't this be beginning to change?

I'm about to upgrade from 15/2 ADSL to 100/20 UFB, and I'm struggling to think of any way the faster downstream is really going to meaningfully improve my life. 15Mbps is already enough to stream HD 1080p. Downloading full movies and ISOs etc. will be faster, but they already download faster than I can watch em. I can't remember the last time I ever sat around impatiently waiting for a file to download.

What I am really excited about is the upstream. My phone takes photos that are 6-8MB a pop and uploads them all to Google photos when I walk through the door. It takes forever on ADSL. Backing up the RAWs from my DSLR is just a pipe dream. With 20mbps up, not only will I be able to do that, I'll be able to stream live TV from my HTPC to my phone when I'm out and about. I can post 4k video to Youtube. I'll be able to replace dropbox with a personal cloud service running on my home server. It'll actually enable me to do totally new things with my internet connection.

I think I'd take 50/50 over 100/20, given the choice.

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#1532619 13-Apr-2016 15:58

allio:

hio77:

its the unfortunate part of the market we live in a asymmetric world, most consumers buy based on downstream rates..

makes sense to aim towards that market and assume someone who wants a large upstream is probably going to be just as hungry for downstream. Ild personally love to see a midway between 100/20 and 200/200 on the upstream side however.

200/20 is just ugly...

You're absolutely right, but now that we're long past the crawling speeds we had in the early days of broadband, shouldn't this be beginning to change?

I'm about to upgrade from 15/2 ADSL to 100/20 UFB, and I'm struggling to think of any way the faster downstream is really going to meaningfully improve my life. 15Mbps is already enough to stream HD 1080p. Downloading full movies and ISOs etc. will be faster, but they already download faster than I can watch em. I can't remember the last time I ever sat around impatiently waiting for a file to download.

What I am really excited about is the upstream. My phone takes photos that are 6-8MB a pop and uploads them all to Google photos when I walk through the door. It takes forever on ADSL. Backing up the RAWs from my DSLR is just a pipe dream. With 20mbps up, not only will I be able to do that, I'll be able to stream live TV from my HTPC to my phone when I'm out and about. I can post 4k video to Youtube. I'll be able to replace dropbox with a personal cloud service running on my home server. It'll actually enable me to do totally new things with my internet connection.

I think I'd take 50/50 over 100/20, given the choice.

im stuck in the same situation myself.

Upstream, particularly on lower end connections in painful. sub 2mbit i regard as partially impossible to deal with, You can congest it with pure acks.

Decent queuing, fixed cap on things like crashplan make a world of difference but it can only do so much.

I too sync every image, video etc to dropbox. ontop of that, my main machine at home syncs the dropbox to crashplan.

i do find my downstream a little low, but then i moved back to this connection from a 70/10 vdsl line (in 997 days so maxed out.)

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#1532622 13-Apr-2016 15:59

allio:

hio77:

its the unfortunate part of the market we live in a asymmetric world, most consumers buy based on downstream rates..

makes sense to aim towards that market and assume someone who wants a large upstream is probably going to be just as hungry for downstream. Ild personally love to see a midway between 100/20 and 200/200 on the upstream side however.

200/20 is just ugly...

You're absolutely right, but now that we're long past the crawling speeds we had in the early days of broadband, shouldn't this be beginning to change?

I'm about to upgrade from 15/2 ADSL to 100/20 UFB, and I'm struggling to think of any way the faster downstream is really going to meaningfully improve my life. 15Mbps is already enough to stream HD 1080p. Downloading full movies and ISOs etc. will be faster, but they already download faster than I can watch em. I can't remember the last time I ever sat around impatiently waiting for a file to download.

What I am really excited about is the upstream. My phone takes photos that are 6-8MB a pop and uploads them all to Google photos when I walk through the door. It takes forever on ADSL. Backing up the RAWs from my DSLR is just a pipe dream. With 20mbps up, not only will I be able to do that, I'll be able to stream live TV from my HTPC to my phone when I'm out and about. I can post 4k video to Youtube. I'll be able to replace dropbox with a personal cloud service running on my home server. It'll actually enable me to do totally new things with my internet connection.

I think I'd take 50/50 over 100/20, given the choice.

I wouldn't. 100/20 would be good enough imo. What do you need the upload for, you don't really... If you have cloud backup software you ran schedule it to run in the night anyway and even then it backs up a 2.5 Megabytes per second. So that a few minutes to upload a gig. You can have multiple netflix streams + games and downloading going on at the same time by people in the house and it will run fine on 100/20.

I just went from a slow VDSL line to a near perfect line. (22/2.5 -> 70/26) and to be honest i love the download. The upload was the main issue on the old line, but once i got past about 10mb up it didn't really make a lot of difference.

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#1532629 13-Apr-2016 16:26

I'm on 100/50 plan ... I thought the 200/20 plans were a joke.

I guess the speeds are all regulated now and the ISP's have little say.

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#1532633 13-Apr-2016 16:41

surfisup1000:

I'm on 100/50 plan ... I thought the 200/20 plans were a joke.

I guess the speeds are all regulated now and the ISP's have little say.

Speeds are not really regulated - the current right performing/accelerate plans that were launched were basically due to RSP's and the industry asking for them. CIR was reduced since most people didn't even understand it which meant overall costs could be cut.