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#195910 11-May-2016 14:35
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I live in Rotorua. Last year fibre was run up my street. I would like some advice as to whether I should take advantage now of the, currently subsidized, ‘free’ installation.

 

ADSL is quite adequate for my requirements. To use UFB has several disadvantages for me. It will cost me more, in initial cost for router and cable (and a UPS if I want to be independent of a mains failure, plus damage to my house by the installation), and also running costs. My current retail provider (Flip) doesn’t support UFB (yet). And all alternatives cost more for Flip’s service, delivered over copper.

 

My question is, for how long is the copper network (and retailers access to it) likely to be maintained? This sounds like a “How long is a piece of string?” question, but I do not want to be forced to subscribe to something that I did not ask for, or need. Time I came into the 21st century? That’s cheek! “You paid taxes for UFB, so you may as well get it…”  Sure, if I was Chorus, for example, I would cut the copper off asap. 

 

Ultimately the decision will be ‘political’. I don’t trust our politicians….or their dogs. Does anyone have a clue as to when the provision of ‘phone services by copper will be officially discontinued (ie be not required by a service agreement)? And be uncompetitive in price with fibre? After all, I have paid a small fortune over the years for the legacy network.


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  #1550931 11-May-2016 14:59
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Think of UFB as a very efficient public transport vs copper as the opposite.

 

If it's the same price it's a no brainer for some, while the rest don't mind the scenic route.

 

There is one downside however, you lose copper phone line, which most people don't consider as a disadvantage. I do. But ... *sigh ... 


 
 
 

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  #1550973 11-May-2016 15:48
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We went through this and in the end got UFB (signing  a 12 month contract with spark to do so).

 

Was it worth it? Sort of.  Our internet costs more for a nominally faster speed (which we never get close to).

 

It isn't noticeably faster to load pages or anything like that but for hard wired devices it is more stable and some content streams smoother and/or with better resolution (e.g. Lightbox).  VPN, remote desktop and softphone are more reliable.   But the different isn't dramatic.

 

For WiFi devices there is generally no obvious difference.

 

Did we make the right call?

 

Maybe ...  we are future proof, but otherwise the upside hasn't been significant.





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  #1550974 11-May-2016 15:52
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MikeAqua:

 

We went through this and in the end got UFB ... Did we make the right call?  <snip>

 

 

Yes, you did.  wink

 

UFB is infinitely superior to ADSL.

 

The average actual cost of a "free" UFB install is $1,350 (last business year)





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  #1550981 11-May-2016 16:10
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@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.


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  #1550984 11-May-2016 16:19
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UFB is more reliable than adsl. When things are running slow you're not having to run around the house disconnecting phones, ensuring that the filter hasn't died, wondering if perhaps some moisture has got into a termination or the many other banes of the technology




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  #1550985 11-May-2016 16:20
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DarthKermit:

 

@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.

 

 

I don't understand the logic of 30/10 UFB - it's like buying a sports car with a 50km/hr speed limiter on it.  wink





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  #1550986 11-May-2016 16:22
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... But at least the latency between your hands and feet to the result on the road would be quicker :)




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  #1550987 11-May-2016 16:22
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DarthKermit:


@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.



I don't understand the logic of 30/10 UFB - it's like buying a sports car with a 50km/hr speed limiter on it.  wink



If the maximum your adsl was capable of was about 5mbps and with no possibility of Vidal...30/10 is probably quite adequate for a vast number of people




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DarthKermit:

 

@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.

 

 

I don't understand the logic of 30/10 UFB - it's like buying a sports car with a 50km/hr speed limiter on it.  wink

 

 

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  #1550992 11-May-2016 16:26
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DarthKermit:

 

@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.

 

 

I don't understand the logic of 30/10 UFB - it's like buying a sports car with a 50km/hr speed limiter on it.  wink

 

 

This sports car only gets driven around town. For now, 30/10 is good enough. Can always pay more for a faster speed later on.


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  #1550993 11-May-2016 16:27
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davidcole: <snip> If the maximum your adsl was capable of was about 5mbps and with no possibility of Vidal...30/10 is probably quite adequate for a vast number of people

 

What is "Vidal" ?

 

EDIT:  VDSL?





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  #1550994 11-May-2016 16:28
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DarthKermit:

 

Sideface:

 

DarthKermit:

 

@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.

 

 

I don't understand the logic of 30/10 UFB - it's like buying a sports car with a 50km/hr speed limiter on it.  wink

 

 

This sports car only gets driven around town. For now, 30/10 is good enough. Can always pay more for a faster speed later on.

 

 

 

 

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We got either 100 or 200, I can't remember which and I'm not at home today.  I work from home, often via VPN so wanted a fast connection. 

 

But we never see 50 ... ever

 

If I had 3 hours to spend on hold I would ring and complain.

 

 

 

DarthKermit:

 

@MikeAqua, what speed UFB did you get? We only went for 30/10, it's slightly faster than our ADSL was.

 

 

 





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  #1551029 11-May-2016 17:12
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It could be significantly superior.  Our real world experience is that its marginally better.

 

But it was a drama getting a decent install.

 

 

 

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MikeAqua:

 

We went through this and in the end got UFB ... Did we make the right call?  <snip>

 

 

Yes, you did.  wink

 

UFB is infinitely superior to ADSL.

 

The average actual cost of a "free" UFB install is $1,350 (last business year)

 





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  #1551042 11-May-2016 17:41
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MikeAqua:

 

We got either 100 or 200, I can't remember which and I'm not at home today.  I work from home, often via VPN so wanted a fast connection. 

 

But we never see 50 ... ever

 

If I had 3 hours to spend on hold I would ring and complain.

 

 

If you have paid for a 100 Mbps UFB connection, you should get 100 Mbps, 24 hours per day. That is the whole point of difference with UFB.
That, among other things, is why I described UFB as "infinitely superior".

 

Assuming that you are speed testing over Ethernet rather than wireless, then either your connection is faulty, or you have been provisioned wrongly - eg with a 30/10 Mbps connection.

 

If your old ADSL connection was faulty, you would have complained.

 

If your UFB connection is faulty, you should do the same thing - get what you pay for.  smile





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