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#20014 10-Mar-2008 10:15
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Does anyone know where there is a plain list of the locations that will be cabinetized and when? Also, how is the progress on the first ones in pt chev going?

I cant seem to find anything thats actually readable.




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  #115942 11-Mar-2008 13:17
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http://www.ucll.co.nz/n121,13.html has an excel spreadsheet with cabinet designations and expected dates.  I notice the exchange I am on (Ponsonby) is going to be done October this year... even tho I'm an orcon customer, doesn't seem much point in changing to their service if I'll get changed back in October...


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  #116145 12-Mar-2008 15:44
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replying to myself :) My flatmate noticed some cabinet work going on in Point Chev yesterday as I believe they are the first area in auckland to be cabinetised.  Anyone out that way, will be interesting to see how it goes when you get moved over to getting DSL from the cabinet.

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  #116303 13-Mar-2008 12:00
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hmm i think he said "readable" that excell sheet makes no sense at all! well to me at least.. Is there a plain english version of that? i searched for bln (blenheim) hoping for a result but nothing came up.



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  #116326 13-Mar-2008 13:10
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Cell numbers 144 thru 163 - BM - Blenheim.  The first cabinet on the list for Blenheim is BM/04, 01/07/08 and the last on the list is BM/06 01/10/10...  Also the areas each cabinet serves are listed if you can find them.  :)

/Portunus da rocket scientist.


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  #116335 13-Mar-2008 13:39
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portunus, existing orcon customers wouldn't be moved back over. Not everyone in the exchange is being moved to cabinets, especially not customers who are already connected to other providers equipment. If Telecom came in and just started unplugging cables from their gear, I'd imagine the other providers would get mighty upset Cool

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  #116340 13-Mar-2008 13:46
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The spreadsheet I mentioned lists the cabenitisation date as "cessation of supply"
And has this to say:

Both “cabinetisation” and “cessation of supply” will occur on the same date because cessation of supply is a practical consequence of cabinetisation.  At the point of cabinetisation Telecom will no longer provide the UCLL Service under the UCLL Standard Terms Determination and therefore the cessation of supply and cabinetisation will occur simultaneously.    

I interpret this to be Telecom no longer will provude UCLL service on the affected cabinets (ie people like me who live far from the exchange)..  without it how could the ISP provide an unbunbled service without sub-loop unbundling?  Even if they could I'd prefer to be on a cabinet down the road, than on over 4km of 1920's copper...  ;)

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  #116343 13-Mar-2008 13:50
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Hrm o_O - I read a document the other day that seemed to indicate existing LLU customers wouldn't be moved to cabinets, but no new ones would be accepted for customers that have been moved to cabinets. Maybe I misread Cool



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  #116351 13-Mar-2008 14:12
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portunus: cheers for that! Now if only telecom would put us on the adsl2 rollout plan! lol

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  #117041 17-Mar-2008 00:03
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I am switching to Orcon's LLU network and I would be incredibly disappointed if it meant cabnetization were not to occur to my line. (though the above 'cessation' paraphaph sounds reasonibly solid and makes far more sense but it wouldn't be the first time anything to do with Telecom was misleading)

So while I think that it sounds more likely that unbundled lines will be moved also I would be interested in any indication otherwise, so willnz please point me to your document.

Maybe I should switch back to xnet just before it takes place on my exchange.

Anyway if anyone who can read that report tell me when Glendfield exchanges are listed for cabnenization I would very much appreciate it. (or if afraid of too many such requests explain how to make heads or tails of it.

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#117043 17-Mar-2008 00:38
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aether22 You signature is extreamly misleading, TG never said TELECOM, she afaik was refering to the Telecoms industry. These comments, have been taken totally out of context, and while I personally beleive it wan't the right thing to say, I for one am sick of reading about it. Move on.

(Sorry for going OT!)

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  #117050 17-Mar-2008 01:53
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Forgot about that signature, anyway let me see if I understand you, what she meant to say was:

New Zealanders are extremely lucky because in NZ Telecom has a monopoly and unlike everywhere else where the Telecoms industry has used confusion as it's chief marketing tool....

Here's the real question, if that was what she meant to say would anyone think she was being even vaguely truthful?


Anyway back on topic, I can see what the Glenfield exchange code is (I forget but it's in the document at the bottom of the page) but when I open the csv files which seemingly would tell me first they are too large to open and second there are two columns of numbers I can't make any sense of.

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  #117075 17-Mar-2008 09:05
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aether22's signature: Telecom has used confusion as it's chief marketing tool. And that's fine you could argue that's all of us keep calling prices up and get those revenues, high margin businesses keeping going for a lot longer than would have been the case. But at some level whether they consciously acknowledge it or not customers know that's what the game has been.  They know we are not being straight upTheresa Gattung


You are so wrong. It's never been "Telecom". It's the industry. This is not a New Zealand problem, but around the world. Read this Canadian article that talks about confusion on their own industry - and quote Theresa Gattung.

Also on Wikipedia (and I am quoting here before some nasty person goes and change the page):


In March 2006, Gattung courted controversy by characterising telcos to a Sydney audience as not "straight up" with customers on pricing. "Think about pricing," the press quoted her as saying. "What has every telco in the world done in the past? It's used confusion as its chief marketing tool. And that's fine ... But at some level, whether they consciously articulate or not, customers know that's what the game has been. They know we're not being straight up."


And another quote:


An audio clip recorded on March 2 was released involving Telecom CEO Theresa Gattung admitting the use of confusion as a chief marketing tool in the industry.


You see? A lot of people got it wrong. She didn't refer to Telecom as in the company but Telecom as in the industry.

The problem is that people read the mainstream media and don't think or read. For example the NZ Herald article says:


Telecom's public image may take another hit as an audio clip of Theresa Gattung circulating on the internet has the chief executive admitting to the company "not being straight up" with customers.


But on the next paragraph the quote reveals she wasn't talking of Telecom New Zealand, but Telecom industry:


"Think about pricing. What has every telco in the world done in the past? It's used confusion as its chief marketing tool. And that's fine," said Gattung in a speech recorded on March 20.


The context is lost because someone wrote the wrong thing in the story, and that's what people read. Some people has been reading things and swallowing whatever they get from the media, without thinking.

So perhaps you should change you signature instead of keeping spreading the tale?

Back on topic.




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  #117077 17-Mar-2008 09:10
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In answer to aether22's question, I can't find anything for Glenfield exchange in that spreadsheet.  This is the initial forecast for the next 2 years, I believe Telecom need to give the ISPs plenty of notice of impending cabentisation (18 - 24 months?).  I can only assume that a lot of people on the Glenfield exchange already get pretty good speeds and have relatively short loops since most other Auckland exchanges are listed.

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"Think about pricing. What has every telco in the world done in the past? It's used confusion as its chief marketing tool. And that's fine," said Gattung in a speech recorded on March 20.


The context is lost because someone wrote the wrong thing in the story, and that's what people read. Some people has been reading things and swallowing whatever they get from the media, without thinking.

So perhaps you should change you signature instead of keeping spreading the tale?

Back on topic.


So what she meant to say was 'What has every telco in the world has done in the past other than Telecom New Zealand'?

Do you really think that Telecom has not used confusion against the public and the government? (or more truthfully lies and broken promises and poor service and anticompetitive practices, you seem fine with such tactics but you can't claim it hasn't used them and feel very honest can you?)

Anyway this isn't the thread for that so please let's not go off topic, if you must discuss Telecoms wrong doing or lack there of with me start another thread maybe? (you may be an admin but that doesn't make an offtopic subject on topic)



portunus: Thanks, my line length is quite bad but maybe I'm in the minority at the Glenfield Exchange? (though my address is technically Albany)

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#117107 17-Mar-2008 10:30
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aether22: So what she meant to say was 'What has every telco in the world has done in the past other than Telecom New Zealand'?


What she meant to say is on record and it's not what you are saying. No one is excusing Telecom but there's no reason to create more clouds around the issue when it's clear what she said.




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