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# 201567 24-Aug-2016 16:15
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Our next door neighbours are getting UFB fibre installed. They currently have fibre first with with Saturn,  then it changed to Telstra, now it is Vodafone. They were told by the installers that they couldn't bring the fibre in from the road to the house inside the old fibre conduit. However with mine they could, as it was a telecom copper conduit, so they just pulled it in through that. So instead they were going to have to trench for another conduit. Luckily however they found an disused waterpipe to use instead. I wouldn't have thought a water pipe would be up to the standard of the telstra conduit. Not only that, but if it was because of ownership of the conduit, who owns the water pipe?  It  doesn't really make sense, because if they cancelled their old fibre connection and had all the cables removed, then I presume they could then use that conduit.  Does anyone know why they reuse to install in an existing fibre conduit.? I presume it is only happening in areas where fibre was previously installed by Saturn back in the late 90's


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  # 1616939 24-Aug-2016 16:22
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Fibre or Cable (HFC)? The 2 are quite different

When you speak of Telecom I think you mean Chorus, Chorus / Spark or who you call Telecom are very different companies one is retail the other wholesale

Your post shows you are mixing things up and who owns what

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  # 1616940 24-Aug-2016 16:25
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Chorus/Enable/other LFC's are not allowed to use other companies conduit ducts to run UFB. They have to use either Chorus conduit or run their own (for the likes of Enable, UFF etc).

 

So, they will not do an install through the existing Vodafone conduit. They'll need to run a separate one.





 
 
 
 




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  # 1616941 24-Aug-2016 16:29
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michaelmurfy:

 

Chorus/Enable/other LFC's are not allowed to use other companies conduit ducts to run UFB. They have to use either Chorus conduit or run their own (for the likes of Enable, UFF etc).

 

So, they will not do an install through the existing Vodafone conduit. They'll need to run a separate one.

 

 

 

 

I suspect there were rules like that. It is interesting that they are using a third party water pipe to install it then. Maybe they are installing conduit inside that. The alternative was to dig a trench in a new asphalt drive which would have been costly for someone.


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  # 1616973 24-Aug-2016 17:33
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Vodafone's conduit for the cable network is owned by Vodafone. Chorus can't use this.

 

 


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  # 1616982 24-Aug-2016 18:20
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Generally water pipes within the boundary are owned by the property owner. Saturn would have installed their duct for free or for a nominal charge, and retained ownership of it.

In theory you could remove the Vodafone box on the house and disconnect at the street to make it look like you installed the duct for UFB. That would be a serious breach of contract though and possibly illegal.



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  # 1616986 24-Aug-2016 18:39
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nickb800: Generally water pipes within the boundary are owned by the property owner. Saturn would have installed their duct for free or for a nominal charge, and retained ownership of it.

In theory you could remove the Vodafone box on the house and disconnect at the street to make it look like you installed the duct for UFB. That would be a serious breach of contract though and possibly illegal.

 

 

 

I don't think they are currently using the vodafone cable service as I think they are currently with Spark, so it maybe an abandoned cable. They weren't the original owner who installed the saturn (now vodafone) cable, and they may not have ever had a contract with Vodafone either. So if not I would have thought they could ask for the cabling etc to be removed from the property before hand by vodafone. eg With SkyTV, when you cancel, they will usually leave the dish, but you can ask them to remove it. I am guessing if they ask for it to be removed, they would have to do this, unless they have something like an easement on the property, that requires it to stay in place. 
The odds of them pulling up the conduit would be low I would have thought as they risk damaging the drive. That way if there was no cable in the conduit, it could just be seen as being an unused conduit.


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  # 1616988 24-Aug-2016 18:43
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What does the voda conduit look like? Just green PVC with "voda" stamped on it?


 
 
 
 


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  # 1616991 24-Aug-2016 18:48
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Nah, its all white with TCL stamped on it, but its the same spec and sourced from the same suppliers as Chorus. This is one aspect I find very frustrating, if you remove the Saturn/TCL/Voda HFC coax and twin pair from the conduit I don't see why you cannot use it, but because its Saturn/TCL/Voda then you can't.

 

Obviuosly it belongs to Saturn/TCL/Voda, but who the hell is going to go back to their cruddy old services after UFB, but that unfortunately is not the way it works, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

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nickb800: Generally water pipes within the boundary are owned by the property owner. Saturn would have installed their duct for free or for a nominal charge, and retained ownership of it.

In theory you could remove the Vodafone box on the house and disconnect at the street to make it look like you installed the duct for UFB. That would be a serious breach of contract though and possibly illegal.

 

 

 

I don't think they are currently using the vodafone cable service as I think they are currently with Spark, so it maybe an abandoned cable. They weren't the original owner who installed the saturn (now vodafone) cable, and they may not have ever had a contract with Vodafone either. So if not I would have thought they could ask for the cabling etc to be removed from the property before hand by vodafone. eg With SkyTV, when you cancel, they will usually leave the dish, but you can ask them to remove it. I am guessing if they ask for it to be removed, they would have to do this, unless they have something like an easement on the property, that requires it to stay in place. 
The odds of them pulling up the conduit would be low I would have thought as they risk damaging the drive. That way if there was no cable in the conduit, it could just be seen as being an unused conduit.

 

 

The Vodafone service may be disconnected but they are not going to send out a contractor to pull cable out of the pipe, so the pipe and cable are still Vodafones. The waterpipe sounds like abandoned so no problem. If you want to remove the cable you will probably find they don't have to but maybe you could cut the pipe yourself if you never want the service again. If the pipe was put in at your cost then should be a different story.





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