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#20227 17-Mar-2008 12:37
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Just read in Stuff about BSkyB and their broadband plans...oh to dream...just look at their mid plan. I guess you still have to buy sky TV from them but the  40Gig cap is unbeleivable for what is esseential $15 per month
http://packages.sky.com/surf/


heres the original article
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4442487a28.html

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#117129 17-Mar-2008 13:18
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This is a Sky UK plan - you can't compare British prices and NZ prices at all... And the article is 100% about Britain, nothing to do with New Zealand...




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  #117140 17-Mar-2008 14:17
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You can't compare it, when you have the figures wrong. it's $12.40 for 40GB a month, and $24.80 for unlimited.
You also can't compare it since they get paid more so it is less money to them.

And it also doesn't compare when you consider the higher connection speeds and quality.

The unlimited plan is 16mbit and likely you'd get something close to that, and here you can't get close to 8mbit even due to long copper runs and backhaul in dire need of upgrading, so much so the government are investigating the Go Large fiasco.

If you did compare that with what Telecom offers today, along with prices adjusted for average income you would find it to be 10 to 50 times better value for money (if not more), and only a small portion of that can be placed on any real difficulty New Zealand faces due to it'slocation or geography IMO.

Naturally I am sure freitasm will feel that it is entierly unfair and the reason NZ broadband must be expensive and of shockingly poor quality has nothing to do with any deffiency in the companies or the lack of regulation that has existed.

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#117145 17-Mar-2008 14:26
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aether22: Naturally I am sure freitasm will feel that it is entierly unfair and the reason NZ broadband must be expensive and of shockingly poor quality has nothing to do with any deffiency in the companies or the lack of regulation that has existed.


Now, this is an uncalled comment. You are implying that I go around saying all companies are good providers of excellent service, which is not the case - I do complain a lot about those bad services and comment on them.

I do point out when people get their stuff wrong, like I (and others) did point out your previous post about fiber where you had no idea about what was going  on, or about your sigatnure because you did not get the context correctly.

And by the way, regulation has existed for a while in telecommunications. What's the Kiwi Share for example?




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  #117149 17-Mar-2008 14:50
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freitasm:
Now, this is an uncalled comment. You are implying that I go around saying all companies are good providers of excellent service, which is not the case - I do complain a lot about those bad services and comment on them.

I do not imply that, rather I have heard you many times defend Telecom.
I would like to ask you how if you disagree with what I said what you could have meant when you said 'you can't compare that'.
Everyone knew it was a British not Kiwi internet offer, obviously you were excusing Telecom for various reasons saying effectivly 'it is not fair to expect Telecom to deliver a service that good or that cheap'.
Implying that it is a difference in circumstance but not stating what that different is nor how it should create the magnitude of difference we see in quality (lack there if) and price.

I do point out when people get their stuff wrong, like I (and others) did point out your previous post about fiber where you had no idea about what was going on, or about your sigatnure because you did not get the context correctly.

You say that but the appearance you give is that of constantly defending the actions of Telecom.
I have never seen you say anything that seemed critical of Telecom and I have read many many posts of yours.

And by the way, regulation has existed for a while in telecommunications. What's the Kiwi Share for example?


It's regulation of something with no real relavancy to the internet besides the fact that use of phone lines has been a popular means of delivering internet services.


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#117153 17-Mar-2008 15:13
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aether22:
freitasm:
Now, this is an uncalled comment. You are implying that I go around saying all companies are good providers of excellent service, which is not the case - I do complain a lot about those bad services and comment on them.

I do not imply that, rather I have heard you many times defend Telecom.


The same way that many times I defended TelstraClear, Vodafone, IHUG and others when people are wrong. You can't see the difference, and anything good said about Telecom is "defending" Telecom. And you know what? Every day people say I am being paid by Telecom, Vodafone, IHUG, WxC because I write something good about them.

aether22: I would like to ask you how if you disagree with what I said what you could have meant when you said 'you can't compare that.

Everyone knew it was a British not Kiwi internet offer, obviously you were excusing Telecom for various reasons saying effectivly 'it is not fair to expect Telecom to deliver a service that good or that cheap'.


For goodness sake, just read this page again. Where is Telecom involved in this discussion? The OP posted something about Sky Broadband. Nowhere the OP pointed out it was an Sky UK only offer, so I pointed it out. I also pointed out (and supported later) that it's not possible to directl compare broadband prices between UK and NZ because the costs are different.

Where is Telecom in this discussion?

You are bringing it here, I have no idea why.

aether22:
I do point out when people get their stuff wrong, like I (and others) did point out your previous post about fiber where you had no idea about what was going on, or about your sigatnure because you did not get the context correctly.

You say that but the appearance you give is that of constantly defending the actions of Telecom.
I have never seen you say anything that seemed critical of Telecom and I have read many many posts of yours.


As I said, I point out when things are good and bad. You only see when I defend Telecom because it's convenient. Your comments come across as trollish so this is a warning. Keep doing this and a ban comes quickly.




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  #117154 17-Mar-2008 15:17
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aether22:
The unlimited plan is 16mbit and likely you'd get something close to that.


Where did you hear that? A quick Google search of "sky broadband poor performance"

How is this for a gem from a post I read


Hi, I am on Sky BB and have been monitoring my speed over the last week and it averages out at 0.12Kbps when I signed up for up to 8Mb!


Even Go Large was never that slow..

I wish people would get the idea out of their head that broadband in NZ is terrible compared to every other country in the world. We are facing the exact same problems that many countries are all encountering.




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  #117203 17-Mar-2008 18:32
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Even Go Large was never that slow..

I wish people would get the idea out of their head that broadband in NZ is terrible compared to every other country in the world. We are facing the exact same problems that many countries are all encountering.


And in something like 80% of UK exchanges Sky are using their own equipment under LLU rather than BT's, sounds like some great competition opertunities there.

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  #117206 17-Mar-2008 19:14
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Oooo...a flame thread.....

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  #117218 17-Mar-2008 20:00
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Testerpot: Just read in Stuff about BSkyB and their broadband plans...oh to dream...just look at their mid plan. I guess you still have to buy sky TV from them but the  40Gig cap is unbeleivable for what is esseential $15 per month
http://packages.sky.com/surf/


heres the original article
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4442487a28.html

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Not sure where you got $15 from, the cheapest I could find was 16 pound ($40). These are bundled packages, so you need to take that into account.




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  #117229 17-Mar-2008 20:34
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like I said, you'd have to buy the BskyB (British sky Broadcasting) TV package stuff from them as well, so yes you are right the total cost does go up (and yes you would clearly need to be living in the UK!).

But, it's always interesting to see what the other kids are doing over the fence, and the kind of things that you can get from a somewhat bigger, unbundled and very competitive market.

I can still dream of getting cheap fast internet access can't I!?

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  #117890 21-Mar-2008 12:53
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"But, it's always interesting to see what the other kids are doing over the fence, and the kind of things that you can get from a somewhat bigger, unbundled and very competitive market."

I agree, and on this topic there is an interesting article on the GUardian UK website @http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/mar/20/internet.bt

'will BT's ADSL2 + speed up my broadband?" - this article is almost a mirror of what we would readin here on geekzone, stuff, Technology herald etc, fully three years after LLU began over there.

I guess the grass is not always that much greener...... certainly cheaper though

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