Does a Chorus ONT provide a 111 POTS service when unsubscribed...

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#206092 9-Dec-2016 10:47

Just a quick question,

An unsubscribed copper POTS "ICE" connection ( you get disconnected tone when you pick up the handset) allows a 111 call in case of an emergency,

Has this provision been carried over to UFB, or does the fibre service have to be subscribed to allow the POTS circuit to be active on the ONT, or will simply powering the ONT give me a similar "disconnected tone" on the POTS

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#1685159 9-Dec-2016 10:53

Thats an interesting question. I would definitely say no as a VOIP service would have to be provisioned. As far as i know the ONT doesnt support VOIP. Nor does it support a POTS service.

You could how ever get a little cisco VOIP adapter and get a free 2talk line if they allow emergency calls.

Id be interested to hear from someone at Chorus in regards to it.

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#1685217 9-Dec-2016 12:16

There isn't any possible way for this to work - Chorus are an L2 provider, not a L3 provider. The ONT would need to be provisioned with voice details, and this could only be done when it's linked to an RSP and provisioned by them.

It's not really any different to the copper world where there is no such system with UCLL or naked circuits.

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#1685218 9-Dec-2016 12:18

@ChorusNZ may be able to answer?

as it is an end to end SIP session, i'd say not.. Although it would be a handy feature if built into the firmware is a alternative SIP service it can use for emergancy calls only (much like cell towers will always accept emergancy only calls even if off network)

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#1685222 9-Dec-2016 12:23

sibble is correct

The POTS only works when the RSP has signed up for the POTS Port and configured it with the RSP's VOIP Switch config

Otherwise it remains unregistered and unusable.

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#1685230 9-Dec-2016 12:34

+1 to @sbiddle No paid for subscribed service, no dial tone, no 111.

If you need 111 use a Mobile.

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#1685237 9-Dec-2016 12:46

I dont think POTs allows you to call 111 either, if the line has been disconnected?

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#1685240 9-Dec-2016 13:03

antoniosk:

I dont think POTs allows you to call 111 either, if the line has been disconnected?

Chances are if your not paying for a port it isnt jumpered to the NEAX anyway.

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#1685247 9-Dec-2016 13:16

BarTender:

+1 to @sbiddle No paid for subscribed service, no dial tone, no 111.

If you need 111 use a Mobile.

Or a public phone box. They are rumoured to still exist.

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#1685257 9-Dec-2016 13:24

DarthKermit:

BarTender:

+1 to @sbiddle No paid for subscribed service, no dial tone, no 111.

If you need 111 use a Mobile.

Or a public phone box. They are rumoured to still exist.

Wait, those things arent just free wifi stands?

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#1685260 9-Dec-2016 13:26

antoniosk:

I dont think POTs allows you to call 111 either, if the line has been disconnected?

it does, if its still connected. They use to remain connected as it was too expensive to disconnect them. But that was when Telecom owned the copper. They probably disconnect it pretty quickly now they are paying for the copper.

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#1693952 22-Dec-2016 17:09

Just a follow up - the ATA ports on the Chorus ONT are activated for the RSP's Viop service not Chorus's - No subscription - no service

Its actualy now the same with the copper POTS line - the services on it arn't chorus's but what every providers equipment it connected to - As far as I know its actauly only SPARK and their NEAX that provides an access to the 111 service when the line is deactivated but still connected.

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#1694121 23-Dec-2016 06:40

Sounddude:
antoniosk:

I dont think POTs allows you to call 111 either, if the line has been disconnected?

it does, if its still connected. They use to remain connected as it was too expensive to disconnect them. But that was when Telecom owned the copper. They probably disconnect it pretty quickly now they are paying for the copper.

This isn't correct. Chorus won't unjumper your connection from the NEAX when you terminate service so you will normally still get dialtone if you're exchange connected. Spark wouldn't be paying for the service no matter if it was wholesale or retail. Why would Chorus spend money physically disconnecting something they are likely going to reconnect in the near future.
With Baseband IP growing across the country where voice is now delivered from the cabinet it becomes the same service level as fibre. No service, no dialtone, no 111.

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#1694122 23-Dec-2016 06:54

BarTender:

This isn't correct. Chorus won't unjumper your connection from the NEAX when you terminate service so you will normally still get dialtone if you're exchange connected. Spark wouldn't be paying for the service no matter if it was wholesale or retail. Why would Chorus spend money physically disconnecting something they are likely going to reconnect in the near future.
With Baseband IP growing across the country where voice is now delivered from the cabinet it becomes the same service level as fibre. No service, no dialtone, no 111.

Because in a UCLL world, they don;t know what RSP they are going to connect it to. So they always send someone to remove the jumpers in the cabinets/exchanges after the line in cancelled.

With 30% of phone lines connected to an exchange being UCLL its a good chance it won't connect to a NEAX.

You can dial 111 if you have the disconnected tone from a NEAX. Doesn't have to be true dialtone.

Baseband IP will change this however, correct but jumpers are removed as a RSP doesn't have to order Baseband they can still order SLES/SLU from a cabinet.

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#1695199 26-Dec-2016 17:15

antoniosk:

I dont think POTs allows you to call 111 either, if the line has been disconnected?

If the landline still has the "disconnected" dialtone then its still physically connected to the voice switch and can make 111 calls. Ask your ISP about enabling the POTS service on your ONT.

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