ETP (external termination point) location

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ZSasha

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#214599 19-May-2017 16:59

Hello everyone,

Could somebody answer my question please?

I read here that a user could choose the ONT location inside their house but what about ETP (external box)?

The reason why I am asking is because the part of my house that is closest to the street is actually a bedroom and we don't have computers there.
We also don't have a Ethernet connectivity from that bedroom to any other rooms.

Would it be possible to ask Chorus tech to install that ETP box to a different location so he could drill a hole a put a fibre to the main room where we have all our computers and router located?

The problem is that the wall of the house itself is not straight so if they are going to route their external cable along the wall, it will need to follow that route which would be like

My concern they could be too busy/lazy to extend the cable to a few more meters (because of the wall curvedness). Am I entitled to tell the where to place ETP where I want it, not where it would be EASY for them?

Thank you!

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RunningMan

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#1784874 19-May-2017 17:02

It's essentially just a join in the fibre - doesn't need to go where the ONT is.

ZSasha

18 posts

Geek

#1784886 19-May-2017 17:28

Ok I see but anyway - I assume it is easier/faster to install the box at the closest location rather that put a cable further down the wall, isn't it?

To summarize my previous question -
Can a technician install ETP/ONT/Whatever at the first handy place and then just tell a customer: "oh, we can't extend it any further, you have to put your router here (we don't care how you are gonna do that or pay us for 'custom' install)" or a customer CAN INSIST to get that box installed at some more appropriate (from the customer's perspective) position, even if that requires a bit more efforts from the installer?

chevrolux

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#1784899 19-May-2017 18:01

Moving an ETP in most cases is just not able to be done without trenching. If your existing conduit (if any) ends a certsin place this is where the ETP will end up.

If there is simple access under the house though I wouldn't imagine it's an issue for the installer to put the ONT in a good place that suits you.
Only the laziest installers will push for back to back installation when there is good access under floor or in the ceiling.

InstallerUFB

839 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1784913 19-May-2017 18:39

Don't get confused between the FTB/ETP and the ONT as they are two completely different things and can be placed at differnt ends of the house

The FTB/ETB goes on the side of the house at the end of the conduit out to the road (or at a convenient point at the end of the microducting - if run separately) and is simply a location to change from external cable/fibre to the internal cabling.

Providing there is a cabling path - either down and under the floor or up and through the ceiling - then the ONT can be placed anywhere in the house ( the installers don't run cable inside walls anymore but surface mount everything).

If there is no access up or down and around the walls externally is the only choice then the external cables could be run around (up to two of them - one with fibre and the other to take copper voice circuits back to the ETP (if there is no means of back feeding voice at the ONT location. Another method is to install 16mm/20mm conduiting around the external walls and run the internal cabling through it, from the ETP.

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Part 2

Having had a look at your little plan

Is the current phone line aerial ? - if that is the case then more than likely the fibre cable/ducting will come in the same way and can be run around the sofitt and the down the wall and through to the ONT

ZSasha

18 posts

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#1785683 21-May-2017 22:38

Thanks guys for your explanation!

InstallerUFB:

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If there is no access up or down and around the walls externally is the only choice then the external cables could be run around (up to two of them - one with fibre and the other to take copper voice circuits back to the ETP (if there is no means of back feeding voice at the ONT location. Another method is to install 16mm/20mm conduiting around the external walls and run the internal cabling through it, from the ETP.

Yep, this is a question - you said "could be run". Here is my point - is it still considered to be a "standard install" or it would be up to a technician who is actually doing installation to decide?
Can I say something if he said "no no no, it is a custom install - we don't do that or you pay more".
Does such thing as a definition of what is included and what is not in a "typical standard installation" exist?

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InstallerUFB:

Part 2

Having had a look at your little plan

Is the current phone line aerial ? - if that is the case then more than likely the fibre cable/ducting will come in the same way and can be run around the sofitt and the down the wall and through to the ONT

It is a rented house so I have no idea how the phone line goes. Apparently it enters the house from outside (where I put a blue mark on my plan) and then magically appears on two wall-mounted phone sockets. Would it be possible to pass a new fibre cable along the current phone lines (in fact it is a single UTP cable) - I really doubt that, at least without opening walls :)

Thank you!

Jase2985

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#1785712 22-May-2017 05:22

is there access under the house? if so that's pretty easy to manage, if not its a bit harder.

aerial means does the phone line come from a pole on the street and end up near the roof/guttering of your house, or is it coming out of the ground

InstallerUFB

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#1785727 22-May-2017 07:33

Non standard installs refer generally to - distance from road (more than 100m etc ), Non Primary dwelling - there is no restriction on distance from ETP to ONT for a standard install.

The new cables are not run with the old ones apart from where there is visible access, ie under floors and through ceilings - its not run inside wall cavities (unless there has been a purpose installed draw wire/pathway, & there are conditions on these too )

Suckerpunch

119 posts

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#1786347 23-May-2017 07:51

Hey, I am in the same position and have the same question.

This is my situation...

Do you think Chorus would be open to choosing my suggested route?

My street is not scheduled till mid-2018 so I have heaps of time. Is there anyway I could fore warn Chorus of my preferred route, to assist them when laying the fibre down the street? Or is that not relevant to them when street laying?

My suggested route would involve digging a trench, rather than pushing through a conduit that may or may not exist and I'm happy to dig the trench.

Thanks in advance!

Phil.

InstallerUFB

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#1786358 23-May-2017 08:10

Suckerpunch:

Hey, I am in the same position and have the same question.

This is my situation...

Do you think Chorus would be open to choosing my suggested route?

My street is not scheduled till mid-2018 so I have heaps of time. Is there anyway I could fore warn Chorus of my preferred route, to assist them when laying the fibre down the street? Or is that not relevant to them when street laying?

My suggested route would involve digging a trench, rather than pushing through a conduit that may or may not exist and I'm happy to dig the trench.

Thanks in advance!

Phil.

Hi Phil

there is about a 99% chance that your new fibre connection point, on the street, will be designed to go right beside where your existing copper connection is now Unless:

You are catch the person (designer) doing the street walk out, before the design is done (you will have to have a crystal ball available to see when they will be there :-))

You catch the person who marks out off the design what is supposed to go where on the day they walk over the site before that start doing any civils work ( see crystal ball above) and ask them to ask the designer for a variation in design

You catch the team doing the civils before that start/or as soon as they start digging holes - to talk to the forman who laid out the marks to talk to the designer etc

:-) - have fun

robfish

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#1786455 23-May-2017 09:34

I wanted to have the "Scope of work" done even before the UFB was available in my street (the fibre was laid in the street though).

Enable told me that I could not have a scope done without an order from my ISP. (What they meant was that they would not do it - not could not)

The installers (Multimedia Communications) were quite cooperative.

If you think that you can do a tidier job you can run suitable conduits or even suitable fibre from the ETP to the ITP (External termination point and internal termination point). Most good electricians will do this for new houses.

I suspect that you could also run suitable conduit from the boundary to the ETP (my son has for his yet to be built house)

Rob

Suckerpunch

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Master Geek

#1787194 24-May-2017 06:53

Sigh...that's a bummer. Looks like I've got my work cut out for me.

Thank you for your replies.