Do I need 900/500Mbps fibre?

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TeaLeaf

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#229144 9-Feb-2018 12:26

So after nearly 10 months (9 of waiting for Chorus to do a prelim design) we have landlords gagging for UFB in my complex.

It seems pretty simple to me, the fibre pit is in the copper pit, and the copper to complex Conduit runs through the side of the garaging, Id imagine they will just pull fibre through that, then run a conduit along the top of the wall and MTU for each building.

Now, my copper lines are all in the walls, can the pull through fibre to the same places as my current telephone jacks?

Secondly, what plan do I REALLY need to be up with the 1st world internet?

Im on BigPipe and 100/20 is cheaper than the open Vdsl plan by $10 a month, go figure.

I only have a 1080p big screen but am considering a 4k soon, about to by a retina iPad for chillaxing/bedtime movies.

What bandwidth do I need for 4k? Is there anything else I should consider outside 4k, I dont have any major downloads? Netflix says 25Mbps for 4k minimum. So 100 should be safe right?

Is Netflix/Prime increasing its 4k content?

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#1954230 9-Feb-2018 12:27

No you don't need 900/500 99% of end users don't need it

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#1954248 9-Feb-2018 12:42

Start with 100/20 and if you find that, somehow, that's not good enough upgrade from there.

We have a fairly active Internet usage house, but our 100/20 plan does us just fine.

I plan to switch to 1G/1G in the next month or two, but only to test my new home router (Mini PC running pfSense) to see if it's really capable of 1G/1G (it's PPPoE daemon is single threaded, so I don't think I'll get full speed)

But once I've done testing and taken a few "look at me speedtest.net" results, I'll go back to 100/20.

The only time the upload of 20M is a bit of a pain is when I've just taken a 5m HD video of the kids, the 20M can get a bit flatlined for a bit (QoS ensures that DNS, VoIP still works though)

So yea, I don't think you need it.

DarkShadow

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#1954251 9-Feb-2018 12:46

No one needs gigabit fibre, but it's sure nice to have.

Once fibre is installed you can upgrade to gigabit in 4 hours anyway so this isn't something you need to spend effort thinking about. Just start with the slowest plan, and if it isn't fast enough, upgrade.

TeaLeaf

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#1954302 9-Feb-2018 13:19

i just didnt know if there was something Im missing on the media consumption front, ive been pretty much just a netflix guy for a few years so havnt kept up with the play.

do you think 4k streaming is increasing from Netflix/Prime etc? I also realise the Xbox is a 4k bluray player, can I rent movies?

The Mrs wont go for a $2k TV, but I read the TCL TVs are well thought of in the US. So I think I might just sell the 50" Bravia and replace it with this and see if she notices lol

https://www.jbhifi.co.nz/tv-home-entertainment/hd-televisions/tcl/tcl-49c2us-49-uhd-hdr-smart-led-lcd-tv/338917/

Im only really just starting to believe there is a place for 4k after 2 years of photography, seeing the 4k streams at the camera shops, you can see a difference. But I think HDR and organic LED make a bigger difference than pixel count.

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#1954399 9-Feb-2018 15:17

If you have more than 2 heavy simultaneous users in the house think about 200/20. If not 100/20 is a great start.

TeaLeaf

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#1954402 9-Feb-2018 15:25

Good point, although I think even 2 people would struggle to suck up 50Mbps each, thats twice the Netflix UHD guide.

Also we tend to watch 75% of content together.

But I see your point. I think if we hadnt avoided the big family thing it could be an issue with say 4 rug rats on their iPads hehe. I think its great for families actually.

I think Ill just go 100/20, check the usage and quality and go from there.

What kind of ping should I expect, 3-4ms?

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#1954403 9-Feb-2018 15:29

TeaLeaf:

What kind of ping should I expect, 3-4ms?

@TeaLeaf Ping to where?

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HowickDota

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#1954405 9-Feb-2018 15:32

I'd say yes only if you do a lot of large uploads, to get more than 20mbits upload you have to go to gigabit. It's a shame there aren't any 100/50 or 200/100 plans from the major providers.

TeaLeaf

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#1954407 9-Feb-2018 15:36

No, no large uploads.

Sorry John, I mean on speedtest.net to local spark server?

(interestingly the map has gone)

I get 40/25 and 14ms currently. Im hoping the ping improves for gaming internationally as not a lot of kiwis play madden :-)

TeaLeaf

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#1954410 9-Feb-2018 15:43

I just tried to California and my upload was 16 and down 14 haha, but my ping is 170MS, no wonder the US guys complain about Aus and NZ gamers.

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#1954425 9-Feb-2018 15:54

I've been streaming Netflix and Prime 4K HDR content happily on my 60MB/s VDSL connection without troubles. Had a 30MB/s connection before that and also not issues with UHD content.

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#1954431 9-Feb-2018 16:03

To think we're saying hardly anyone needs Gigabit internet, yet chorus is already looking into 10Gig Internet....

KillerHulk

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#1954456 9-Feb-2018 16:45

if there is no price difference, then why not !!

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#1954457 9-Feb-2018 16:46

KillerHulk:

if there is no price difference, then why not !!

Oh there will be!

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#1954467 9-Feb-2018 17:08

muppet:

Start with 100/20 and if you find that, somehow, that's not good enough upgrade from there.

We have a fairly active Internet usage house, but our 100/20 plan does us just fine.

I plan to switch to 1G/1G in the next month or two, but only to test my new home router (Mini PC running pfSense) to see if it's really capable of 1G/1G (it's PPPoE daemon is single threaded, so I don't think I'll get full speed)

But once I've done testing and taken a few "look at me speedtest.net" results, I'll go back to 100/20.

The only time the upload of 20M is a bit of a pain is when I've just taken a 5m HD video of the kids, the 20M can get a bit flatlined for a bit (QoS ensures that DNS, VoIP still works though)

So yea, I don't think you need it.

@muppet who is doing 1G/1G plans?

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