Draytek DV130 still the recommended VDSL modem?

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musicismypill

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Topic # 236245 25-May-2018 10:02

Hi There,

Looking to upgrade my home networking setup and currently have an old Technicolor TG589vn v2 modem from Spark.

I was running this in I believe 'half bridge mode' to an Apple Airport Extreme. Although this works, I'm sure there's a better setup available with the potential for more performance.

I haven't decided on a router yet but I'm leaning towards one of the Ubiquiti options - either EdgerouterX, Edgerouter 4 or a USG. I'd like to bridge the VDSL modem to the new router.

I know the Draytek DV130 was highly recommended for a long time but just wanted to check if there's a better performing model on the market?

Kind regards,

olivernz

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Reply # 2022314 25-May-2018 10:33

My Draytek 130 was about 5-7% faster than the FritzBox 7490 on the same VDSL connection. There might be even better modems out there but then you will also be talking a whole lot more $$$ too. I think for the money the DrayTec is probably still the best bet.

And (sorry for the sales pitch) am selling mine on TradeMe (https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1640160718) ;-)

freakngeek

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Reply # 2022330 25-May-2018 10:57

I hope to test a FB7390 and a NF4V this weekend

The DV130 used be the fastest in Downstream others were better at upstream

But you'll not get any miraculous speed from the DV130 that the HG589 won't give
With an Edgerouter the DV130 is ideal in bridge mode as you're not wasting features you can't use as the DV130 does nothing but modem and route

musicismypill

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Reply # 2022332 25-May-2018 11:10

Yea not expecting a huge difference but just want something new, simple and will play nicely with a router bridged.

I noticed a lot of talk regarding newer Broadcom chipsets so just wanted to make sure the Draytek is still as good as those.

Need to make the most of my connection. Fibre is available but my neighbours (mostly 70+) don’t want any digging. Ultra fast won’t reuse the existing Chorus owned conduit either.

Currently on about 45-50Mbit down which is manageable.

andrewNZ

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Reply # 2022398 25-May-2018 12:31

Has the consent rule change come in yet?
I thought it was going to be a lot harder for neighbours to prevent you from getting fibre.

Location: Dunedin

wratterus

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Reply # 2022417 25-May-2018 12:51

musicismypill:

Need to make the most of my connection. Fibre is available but my neighbours (mostly 70+) don’t want any digging. Ultra fast won’t reuse the existing Chorus owned conduit either.

Yeah, when did you last try? There is new legislation around the consent process now - came in last October I think.

olivernz

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Reply # 2022425 25-May-2018 13:08

Yes, consent rule change is in. So may pay to re-request (old requests still handled the old way). But if the neighbors say no it's still the same. It's just that they now need to react in a certain time limit. They cannot drag it out.

I think the consent process still sucks. They should need to require to give a good reason for declining not just "yeah, don't want my driveway touched". I think fibre is a right not a privilege.

evilengineer

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Reply # 2022428 25-May-2018 13:12

olivernz: Yes, consent rule change is in. So may pay to re-request (old requests still handled the old way). But if the neighbors say no it's still the same. It's just that they now need to react in a certain time limit. They cannot drag it out. I think the consent process still sucks. They should need to require to give a good reason for declining not just "yeah, don't want my driveway touched". I think fibre is a right not a privilege.

Try telling that to the 15% outside the fibre coverage areas.

olivernz

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Reply # 2022429 25-May-2018 13:16

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Sure there are always areas that are unfeasible. That's not what i meant. I meant if fibre is available and it is prevented by "lazy installer/ISP" or by "nasty neighbor" or whatever else. If this means the customer needs to bear some of the cost so be it but what i say is that they can't blanket block an install.

musicismypill

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Reply # 2022452 25-May-2018 13:36

I think we applied in late August 2017. Ultra fast and Spark were both asking for full consent to move the process along though even in Feb 2018.

The disappointing thing is that we already have a full conduit setup under the driveway specifically for 'telecommunications'. I remember when I signed my mortgage documents and looking at the title etc seeing specific mention of access for installation/maintenance of 'telecommunications'. If Fibre isn't telecommunications then I think the definition needs to be changed really.

It's not the end of the world and I can live with VDSL. I don't 'need fibre' but it would be nice to take advantage of the tech that is available.

So, Broadcom chip based modem or just go and grab a draytek?

wratterus

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Reply # 2022459 25-May-2018 13:49

I'd get the DV130. Unless you find a dirt cheap NF4V.

I've got a 2760 I could do you a good deal on....

freakngeek

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Reply # 2022525 25-May-2018 16:10

Hah I bought a $1.50 NF4V of Trademe last week
That is one I’m hoping to test in bridge mode to compare with DV130 tomorrow might be only chance as possible snow on Sunday, modem is remote operated via ptp radios
Also got FB to test but only if time and less critical as same chipset as DV130 (lantiq) from memory dndn I need it for VOIP

musicismypill

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Reply # 2022540 25-May-2018 17:07

Well, I put in a ticket with Spark support for the VDSL issues I was having and have been sent a new HG659b free of charge so I'll give this a go and see if there's any improvement.

Thanks for the recommendations.

Gilco2

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Reply # 2022582 25-May-2018 18:23

olivernz: Yes, consent rule change is in. So may pay to re-request (old requests still handled the old way). But if the neighbors say no it's still the same. It's just that they now need to react in a certain time limit. They cannot drag it out. I think the consent process still sucks. They should need to require to give a good reason for declining not just "yeah, don't want my driveway touched". I think fibre is a right not a privilege.

Just applied for fibre and neighbour and myself share driveway. Been a trial getting it done. Ultrafast sent forms and I filled in and signed and so did neighbour on the form and I sent in thinking that was that as consent form signed. But no, the neighbour also had to use identical form with his name and mine on and send it in as well. Once they received his form as well as ours they then went ahead. So consent is still required. The fibre will be underground thrusted June 7th and 8th and then installed in house June 12th. WOuld have been done month ago if wasnt for identical consent forms from both of us required before they would go ahead

musicismypill

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Reply # 2023979 28-May-2018 14:51

For anyone who is curious, I just got off the phone with Ultrafast and they are not taking on the new changes to the consent process.

Our particular install doesn't require any major works. Just thrusting, digging six small holes and re-using some existing ducting.

They would prefer to put the burden and headache on the person applying was essentially what I was told.

Taubin

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Reply # 2024015 28-May-2018 16:27

musicismypill:

I just got off the phone with Ultrafast and they are not taking on the new changes to the consent process.

Are they allowed to do that? I thought it was a new law stating the consent process has changed for everyone, or am I thinking something else? It seems like the law would be pretty bloody worthless if the companies can just ignore it.