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#238053 1-Jul-2018 12:24

Hey guys,

Recently got an APNIC ASN so I could advertise my IPv6 space directly from my VPSs, however I'm interested in Peering my home connection for some of my locally hosted stuff to be more optimally routed.

Basically VPSs are out of country, and while I'm peering my home connection with them at the moment so that I can route back, the path for NZ traffic means it goes out of country and then back in to get to say my locally hosted blog.

I was wondering if anyone knows of an ISP doing BGP Peering over consumer Fibre connections. I'm with 2Degrees at the moment, and they've been awesome for things like static IPs and solid support, however they don't seem keen on doing this.

Is anyone else trying to do this? Or know of someone in NZ who will peer without a physical direct connection?

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#2046746 1-Jul-2018 12:43

Highly unlikely you will find anyone at a consumer level, maybe a small ISP.

2degrees struggle to BGP over UFB WAN tails due to how there network is built.

This is the whole value proposition you get with the likes of Spark GIS / Vodafone BIA, more than 1 IP (yes a few ISPs do offer this on retail plans), BGP peering, priority support and a better commit on bandwidth.

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#2046751 1-Jul-2018 12:48

I'd suggest your best option would be to find out who the ISP for your VPS's is, and then buy service from them to take advantage of staying within their network, because getting an ISP to do what you're after sounds like a excrement up hill situation.

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#2046763 1-Jul-2018 13:33

It might be a conversation to have with our good friend Ben Simpson

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#2046826 1-Jul-2018 14:41

raytaylor:

It might be a conversation to have with our good friend Ben Simpson

Oh yeah? I'm interested

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#2046827 1-Jul-2018 14:42

toejam316:

I'd suggest your best option would be to find out who the ISP for your VPS's is, and then buy service from them to take advantage of staying within their network, because getting an ISP to do what you're after sounds like a excrement up hill situation.

VPS isnt in NZ so not much chance of using them as a ISP

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#2046828 1-Jul-2018 14:43

atomeara:

Highly unlikely you will find anyone at a consumer level, maybe a small ISP.

2degrees struggle to BGP over UFB WAN tails due to how there network is built.

This is the whole value proposition you get with the likes of Spark GIS / Vodafone BIA, more than 1 IP (yes a few ISPs do offer this on retail plans), BGP peering, priority support and a better commit on bandwidth.

Yeah I know its what business plans are for, but then I'm not looking for a SLA
I'm also not afraid of a business plan if the $$ isnt too far off what i pay not, my budget isnt $500 for 100mbps

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#2046928 1-Jul-2018 17:47

HiTM4N:

toejam316:

I'd suggest your best option would be to find out who the ISP for your VPS's is, and then buy service from them to take advantage of staying within their network, because getting an ISP to do what you're after sounds like a excrement up hill situation.

VPS isnt in NZ so not much chance of using them as a ISP

Ah, sorry, I missed that.

As above, you're going to need to find a smaller outfit who's willing to work with you, or pay through the nose with a bigger outfit, but it's very likely no matter how you cut it, it's not going to be at a price you'll be happy with. When it comes to internet connections, there's very rarely a middle ground between Residential/SOHO and big boy stuff, and it seems very likely that you're going to have to end up paying for big boy stuff. Next best option would be to get a few people to tracert your VPS, and find out which ISP has the most favourable routing for your needs, assuming you want to keep within the realms of affordability.

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#2047204 2-Jul-2018 09:07

toejam316:

As above, you're going to need to find a smaller outfit who's willing to work with you, or pay through the nose with a bigger outfit, but it's very likely no matter how you cut it, it's not going to be at a price you'll be happy with. When it comes to internet connections, there's very rarely a middle ground between Residential/SOHO and big boy stuff, and it seems very likely that you're going to have to end up paying for big boy stuff. Next best option would be to get a few people to tracert your VPS, and find out which ISP has the most favourable routing for your needs, assuming you want to keep within the realms of affordability.

Business grade internet falls under the "daylight robbery" heading I think.

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#2047259 2-Jul-2018 10:13

Perhaps hit up Voyager? I know from conversations with a friend who works there that they are often quite flexible in what they will offer, especially if a tech takes an interest and wants a challenge,

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#2047270 2-Jul-2018 10:22

kingjj:

Perhaps hit up Voyager? I know from conversations with a friend who works there that they are often quite flexible in what they will offer, especially if a tech takes an interest and wants a challenge,

Yeah I've been thinking about moving to them for some time...If they can make this happen it'll be the turning point for me

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#2047300 2-Jul-2018 10:52

HiTM4N:

kingjj:

Perhaps hit up Voyager? I know from conversations with a friend who works there that they are often quite flexible in what they will offer, especially if a tech takes an interest and wants a challenge,

Yeah I've been thinking about moving to them for some time...If they can make this happen it'll be the turning point for me

Hi @HiTM4N,

Sorry - we don't offer BGP Peering on broadband connections either.
We can statically route a prefix to a broadband connection - if it's your own APNIC assignment, thats also fine, however there will likely be a setup charge to announce your prefix.

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#2047314 2-Jul-2018 11:08

I'm doing this too and announcing a /24 out of an NZ and AU VPS.

2Degrees have said to me "maybe in a couple of months" so we'll see where that goes.

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#2047315 2-Jul-2018 11:11

danielfaulknor:

I'm doing this too and announcing a /24 out of an NZ and AU VPS.

2Degrees have said to me "maybe in a couple of months" so we'll see where that goes.

Who are you using for NZ VPS?

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#2047316 2-Jul-2018 11:12

VygrNetworkMonkey:

HiTM4N:

kingjj:

Perhaps hit up Voyager? I know from conversations with a friend who works there that they are often quite flexible in what they will offer, especially if a tech takes an interest and wants a challenge,

Yeah I've been thinking about moving to them for some time...If they can make this happen it'll be the turning point for me

Hi @HiTM4N,

Sorry - we don't offer BGP Peering on broadband connections either.
We can statically route a prefix to a broadband connection - if it's your own APNIC assignment, thats also fine, however there will likely be a setup charge to announce your prefix.

Firstly, Thanks for coming to the table! :D
Any idea what that setup fee might cost?

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#2047321 2-Jul-2018 11:16

HiTM4N:

Firstly, Thanks for coming to the table! :D
Any idea what that setup fee might cost?

$100+ GST From memory! (lets just call it that anyway :P)

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