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Topic # 239924 11-Aug-2018 09:06
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Hi,

 

We've got a long shared driveway. The driveway is owned by me and my neighbour (crosslease), with a right of way for another neighbour. The driveway is about 50m long. It's in Mangere Bridge and Chorus have been putting fibre down the street but apparently no consumer installs for a little while yet.

 

My guess is that they won't run a new trench and conduit down the driveway, and so I and the other driveway owner have been thinking about doing a trench and conduit now (he's doing another building project, I'm about to redo my own driveway area).

 

Any advice? I assume one key thing is to leave a draw cable in :-) but any other thoughts? Should we just put our own fibre strands in and if so can anyone recommend a good person to make sure this is done properly?


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  Reply # 2071632 11-Aug-2018 09:12
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Best thing you can do is run some conduit. Not sure if the installers would require a separate conduit to each premises. You don't need to run your own fibre (but a draw string is a good idea).


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  Reply # 2071635 11-Aug-2018 09:23
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Call chorus and ask or call your isp and get the process started, they need to come and make a plan so talk to them then.

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  Reply # 2071645 11-Aug-2018 10:00
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You only need to dig the trench. Once that's done you can ask you ISP to call in Chorus and they will put in the conduit for free.

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/chorus/files/files/Field_Leadin.pdf

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  Reply # 2071680 11-Aug-2018 10:20
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epr: Call chorus and ask or call your isp and get the process started, they need to come and make a plan so talk to them then.

That won't work. They won't be able to place an order in fibre is actually available. A standover might be a better option.



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  Reply # 2071693 11-Aug-2018 10:31
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Yep exactly re the ISP. We don't want to dig up the driveway again later, now is a good time to trench because of other building work, but the conduit will be underground long before Chorus get round to us.

 

Once nice thing is that we apparently have properly conduited 3-phase terminating in a nicely accessible box, so there was some forethought when they put the driveway in. And there's a chance that the phone cabling was done properly too, which we're going to check, but it seems that might predate the driveway hence doing a new trench/conduit/drawcable now while we can


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  Reply # 2071695 11-Aug-2018 10:38
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Digging the trench is a good idea, and creating the branch's off for each property with easy access will make your install go that much easier. 1x50mm shared conduit with branch points and draw strings and you're in business





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  Reply # 2071702 11-Aug-2018 11:16
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So just confirming there are three properties and two of you agree, the third will be installed for logical and pragmatic reason.

 

what is the current copper connections reticulated in, have you proven they are serviceable or not to allow the micro duct to be drawn up them, its common depending on the age that the copper was direct buried or if ducts were used they may be damaged.

 

As for involving Chorus, they are likely to not want to be involved, however its not rocket science, and if you approach them they often are happy to provide 20mm duct for you to install.

 

As its only three properties its not big enough to do anything other than run 3x 20mm Chorus green conduit, one to each property. If the majority of the run was common then split near the end then an option could be to run Chorus 50mm up the major run to a small pit, and split off 20mm conduits from there, but my guess is that is probably not a goer.

 

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  Reply # 2071726 11-Aug-2018 13:25
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Check the age of your water mains and replace them if they are old when the trench is happening. Many 80's ones are now at end of life so makes sense to put a new one in if its that old.





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  Reply # 2071784 11-Aug-2018 15:06
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lyndondrake:

 

Hi,

 

We've got a long shared driveway. The driveway is owned by me and my neighbour (crosslease), with a right of way for another neighbour. The driveway is about 50m long. It's in Mangere Bridge and Chorus have been putting fibre down the street but apparently no consumer installs for a little while yet.

 

My guess is that they won't run a new trench and conduit down the driveway, and so I and the other driveway owner have been thinking about doing a trench and conduit now (he's doing another building project, I'm about to redo my own driveway area).

 

Any advice? I assume one key thing is to leave a draw cable in :-) but any other thoughts? Should we just put our own fibre strands in and if so can anyone recommend a good person to make sure this is done properly?

 

 

 

 

you have just answered your own question.

 

if you get chorus to install it you can gaurente that it wont be done how you like and or to their own spec as they are too lazy and just use a spade to bury it as demonstrated in the videos.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzFVmA0bX3k

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqOXul-GOQ

 

 
https://sp.chorus.co.nz/chorus/files/files/Field_Leadin.pdf

 

page 2 of that pdf is how chorus is meant to install their lead in but they sure as hell dont, the just use the trenching spade and slap it in

 

 

 

DarkShadow: You only need to dig the trench. Once that's done you can ask you ISP to call in Chorus and they will put in the conduit for free.

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/chorus/files/files/Field_Leadin.pdf

 

dark shadow is correct in saying if you dig the trench chorus should come and install the leadin ducts, but by the time they actually get around to doing it the driveway will be finished.

 

but to save time it going to be easier to do it your self, and run a separate duct to each house with sweeping bends to make life easier and to stop the install tech from moaning that he cant get his tube up the duct, this will be better than installing one 50mm duct with tees, as this will lead to problems with the chorus clowns in getting the tubes one at a time up the duct and will cause them head aches and they wont be able to complete the job because its too hard or its not the right duct.

 

green marley 20mm duct with sweeping bends can be purchased from and electrical wholesaler 

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 2071795 11-Aug-2018 15:30
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That's a v helpful point about running three ducts. And I guess I should label them clearly :-)

 

 

 

At the boundary, what's the best way to terminate the duct? Presumably it should come to the surface and into one of those plastic pillar things with a dome cap?


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  Reply # 2071806 11-Aug-2018 16:39
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lyndondrake:

 

That's a v helpful point about running three ducts. And I guess I should label them clearly :-)

 

 

 

At the boundary, what's the best way to terminate the duct? Presumably it should come to the surface and into one of those plastic pillar things with a dome cap?

 

 

The standard I've seen around wellington and auckland seems to be to come up through the ground around 10cm and put a bung in the end :-)





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  Reply # 2071830 11-Aug-2018 17:27
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lyndondrake:

 

That's a v helpful point about running three ducts. And I guess I should label them clearly :-)

 

 

 

At the boundary, what's the best way to terminate the duct? Presumably it should come to the surface and into one of those plastic pillar things with a dome cap?

 

 

 

 

yes label them and tape the ends up so debris and water doesnt get in to them.

 

i would run them out to the pillar out on the street and leave them there, you can pull a strap through for a draw wire, or snake the duct once its installed, or you could suck a string through with a vacuum at one end and a small bag tied to the string then just pop it in the duct and watch it fly through


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  Reply # 2071933 12-Aug-2018 07:06
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how is your current phone (copper connection ) delivered? if its by aerial connection you will likely have to pay for a overhead to underground transfer too.

 

im also local too and have been trying to get chorus to leave my connection at the bottom of the power pole (fibre will be run underground then up the pole then into the house) but they wont do it (this is long before they have even started the work to put the main lines in the street.




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  Reply # 2071964 12-Aug-2018 11:39
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Thankfully the copper is underground

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  Reply # 2071965 12-Aug-2018 11:41
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Hi, so what is the copper in, is it in 20mm conduit, or direct buried, if in conduit all ready would that not be reused, assuming its not snagged.

 

Edit: as far as the former question re terminating them goes, take them to within 200-300mm of where Chorus have dropped their fibre and same to the side of each house, tape of the duct to keep rubbish out and leave it buried and put a small maker (bit of cat5 is fine) sitting on the surface so its clear where the buried ends are. The installers will be delighted you have run the ducts, they will locate and extended them the extra couple of feet to where they have to go.

 

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