Shifting the Adsl jackpoint

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desiree

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#24464 24-Jul-2008 17:48

Could anyone tell me how difficult is it to move an adsl jackpoint. I had telecom install a splitter (and filter I think) several years ago when jetstream 1st started. The jackpoint is upstairs where I was using a desktop computer. This is no longer working and I have replaced it with a laptop I would like to use a wireless router with my adsl router downstairs. Do you need to move the whole jackpoint or just the splitter and or filter? I don't know what they look like but I guess I would know them if i saw them. This old lady would appreciate any assistance rather than give the money to telecom again

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#151074 24-Jul-2008 19:28

Hi Judy, essentially the unfiltered DSL circuit will be a dedicated feed, either a fresh new one or another pair in your existing wiring to the upstairs point, if you want to move it you will require a little more help than simply moving your connection point. If you are lucky replacing your current modem with a wireless one may work for you downstairs if you direct the antenna correctly, otherwise you may need to move the ADSL connection point.

If you are in the Wellingotn/Kapiti district then PM me, if in the Auckland area then try GZ member called Cokemaster, otherwise you may need to call Telecom back.

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#151078 24-Jul-2008 19:41

Couldn't you just wire off a 2nd jackpoint to the new location?
Our cabling splits to the ADSL jackpoint and to the splitter, which then goes to the rest of the house. Surely you can just cut the wire and add another T join before the splitter?

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#151081 24-Jul-2008 19:48

Thank you very much Cyril for the help, I have changed to Orcon now so I will give them a ring and get someone to come and help me. I bought an asus wireless router and is says the connection strength is excellent, but if I try to use it without my adsl cable, I cant get any internet at all. I had both adsl router and wireless router with the same ip address and that didnt work, so gave my adsl router a new ip address, and got a strong signal but no webpages

I think it is time to call for help, don't you, hahahah, sometimes being blonde is hard work

regards Judy

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#151082 24-Jul-2008 19:56

ExDee, splitting as you suggest undoes all the major reasons for installing a central filter, a understanding of transmission line theory would help, but thats another story all together.

Judy, can I suggest that you use the wireless router in layer2 bridging mode, this means connecting the ADSL modem to the wireless router via one of the wireless routers LAN port, not the WAN port, dont connect anything to the WAN port of the wireless router. Before you do this get into the wireless router and turn off the DHCP server, so only the ADSL router has its DHCP router active. It would also help if you set the LAN port of the wireless router into the same address space as the ADSL router so you can access it and administer it. All should come right after that.

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#151100 24-Jul-2008 21:11

Ah i see, dont really understand all that stuff.

But running wire from road > T join > One runs to filter > other runs down a bit of cat5e to the single ADSL jackpoink be the correct way of doing it? That's how ours has been setup, as recommended by an AV/Telecommunications tech.

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#151103 24-Jul-2008 21:16

Thats right, but to split the direct pre filtered line, rather than a single line to the modem is a no no, exactly why a single point filter is deployed.

Edit, the filter causes all the circuity (phone lines) behind it to appear to bridge the line at ADSL frequencies, thus appear to disconnect them from the line, therefore you can do what you like on the output of the filter. But the input must make a single direct line to the modem with no T's off it, this will undo all the reasons for a cental filter.

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desiree

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#151114 24-Jul-2008 21:59

Where do I find the DHCP server in the wireless router please? I am very grateful for all this help from you both.
regards Judy

desiree

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#151129 24-Jul-2008 23:12

I found and disabled it and changed the ip to match the adsl router, and whacko it WORKS!!!! I am totally rapt, thank you so much, I won't need to move the jackpoint now, I have fast wireless, woohoo. So much tidier without all the wires. Need to work on getting a lan card for the printer now. Many thanks again I am so very grateful. Judy

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#151159 25-Jul-2008 07:37

Just checking you moved the ip to the same range not the very same address, cannot have to devices on the same address. Also check that the address you gave the wireless router on it LAN port is not an address that the ADSL routers DHCP server may want to serve up, this may require you to alter the range of address that the ADSL routers DHCP server works over and adjust the wireless router to an address just outside that. Dont mean to sound like telling you the obvious or anything but some folk do some strange things, although the concepts for some are a little complex.

Anyway, good result.

Cyril

desiree

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#151513 26-Jul-2008 09:11

Hi Cyril,
I have the adsl router on 32.32.1.2 and the wireless is on 32.32.1.3 both are on the same gateway of 32.32.1.1
Is that ok? I really am trying to feel my way with everything I do, I was thrown in the deep end with an old Windowa 3.1
computer and noone to teach me. I have pushed my grey matter to the limit and have worked my way up to xp and a very powerful laptop(compared to the old desktop) and really enjoying it all. I tried doing an online course but didn't understand a thing they were saying, Thank again for all your help it is very much appreciated.......Judy

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#151520 26-Jul-2008 10:03

Hi,those addresses are not private ip address for your use, they are assigned to AT&T, and are public, this could cause some issues for your router. That said probably not an immediate problem, I would be intruigued to know where you got those addresses from or why.

Ideally you should be using internal private addresses, 192.168.X.X, or 10.X.X.X.

Also the LAN address of your ADSL router should be what your wireless router understands as the gateway, as would all your PCs. In your wireless router dont worry about the WAN setup, only the LAN address and netmask.

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desiree

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#151564 26-Jul-2008 12:39

I saw the 32 . 32 somewhere on the net as an ip address so i tried it as i was having bother getting the 192 to work. I will change back to 192 again now and I am sure it will work fine, Thanks for the help.....Judy

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#151591 26-Jul-2008 14:16

Hi, and as i said earlier, have only a DHCP server in the ADSL router on, turn off the wireless routers DHCP server. And obviously make the DHCP server of the adsl router such that it has some space for static IPs, where the wireless router can sit, a typical setup would be.

ADSL Router:
LAN IP 192.168.1.1
DHCP server range 192.168.1.10 - 192.168.1.200 this means static addresses can be assigned to other routing and servers in the range 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.9 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 applies to all routers and PC's.

WireLessRouter: Lan IP 192.168.1.2 DHCP server OFF

PCs. Set to DHCP clients, ie obtain address automatically, the ADSL router will offer then an address between 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.1.200. Alternatively you could set static addresses outside this range, this is useful for servers that you want to have a fixed address.

Cheers
Cyril

desiree

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#151674 26-Jul-2008 22:01

Hi I did exactly as you said, my wireless router DHCP was still off, but I corrested the rest as you suggested, hair has gone decidedly grayer but at least it is still growing on my head, hahaha, all working well thanks to you, I am delighted. Anytime you need a recipe for food let me know lol.
Cheers Judy