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Topic # 245250 25-Jan-2019 19:51
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I might be stuck between a rock and a hard place here, but would be keen to hear other's thoughts and/or experiences in similar situations. This might be a bit long, so sorry about that.

 

Had the scoping visit from Chorus on Tuesday - that was slightly annoying in itself, as it was booked in for 'PM', so I took the afternoon off work, and waited...and waited...until 5pm, still nothing. I had to pop out for half an hour, my wife was home by then though, so gave her instructions to give me a call if they showed up. 5:25 I get a call, they have just come. Sweet I say - tell them I will be home in less than 10 mins, and I'd really appreciate it if they could hang around until I get back. 

 

Get back about 5:32, and I see a Chorus van heading down our road as I'm heading up, get home and sure enough they've left. Apparently they can't do the install for a few more weeks as they are waiting on council consent for something - unsure what exactly. The chap left a cell number, so I give him a call and ask what the story is, and if they are coming back to complete the scope - he says the scope is done, "we'll run it up the fence and across the lawn, job done". I tell him I am definitely not happy with having the Fibre along the fence, and I would have really liked to have a chat with him about what other options there may be, and maybe he could have waited just another couple of mins as I was waiting all afternoon? Apparently not.  

 

So no worries - I understand that PM does mean PM, and there is no particular time, and I should have stayed at home. My fault. 

 

 

 

I was really hopeful that there was actually conduit running under the driveway, as the driveway I believe was done in the 80s, much newer than the rest of the house. Our copper ETP looks like this. 

 

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Looking at that lovely 45 degree bend there, I was pretty hopeful that maybe it had been done nicely when the driveway was done. I started clearing around where the conduit ran  into the ground, and then saw that it want into some black pipe. Not looking so good any more...

 

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I popped around the other side of the wall from where the conduit ran into the ground and had a bit of a dig, and sure enough, there is just enough conduit/pipe to get under the wall, then it goes right into the ground. Bugger. 

 

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I even went to the roadside and had a cheeky dig to make totally sure there is no conduit at that end either, and nope. I should say this was all just sand, as it had been dug up when the Fibre conduits were laid recently. You can see the black microduct heading up on the angle, right next to what I assume is mine and the neighbour's copper. 

 

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So no conduit - Chorus want to run the Fibre along the fence, then across the lawn to the house, which I can understand, as options are obviously limited here. 

 

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The arrow in this image indicates where the copper comes out from under the driveway currently - the ETP is behind that wall.

 

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And this image is looking back the other direction.

 

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Do I have any other possible options other than along the fence for this install? Is requesting micro trenching through the ashphalt an option? Or failing that, would it be acceptable to run some thick wall irrigation pipe along the base of the fence, then bury that through the lawn and run it to the location of the ETP? Or would that not be an 'acceptable conduit'.

 

Keen to hear anyone's thoughts - maybe I've just got to live with it tacked to the fence. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2167640 25-Jan-2019 20:31
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Not sure on your chances with getting it micro trenched in the driveway, but if it was my place I'd run conduit myself- along the base of the fence, under the lawn, under the front path and along the base of the house to reach the copper etp.
Whether irrigation pipe is acceptable depends on who you get on the day

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  Reply # 2167662 25-Jan-2019 21:50
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Many years ago, I had a Sky satellite dish installed on the roof on my house in the UK.

 

The aerial installation company employed by Sky did the installation for a fixed price. And even though I was there when he installed the cables, I was left with crappy installation with cables running across the roof tiles and down the outside of the house.

 

 

 

I then contacted another aerial installation company and asked them to re-do the wiring properly and take the cables thorough the loft and then inside the wall spaces to the room where the TV was. I then agreed a time and material contract with them. 

 

 

 

I mention this because, in the next six months, Chorus come to connect my kiwi home to the fibre network, I'll probably be where you are now, with Chorus doing a crappy job and wanting to run cables along my fence.

 

Hopefully, you (and I) will have found another company to do a proper job (for a reasonable fee) and install the cable correctly.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2167667 25-Jan-2019 22:41
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At my current house, they ran it along the fence, making very little attempt to make it discrete... Guess I should have watched them closer but I was so busy tacking the cables neatly under my house as they were in such a hurry to leave and do a poor job on that.

 

Just be there when they do it, and make sure they tack it to the underside of the fence rails so it's not glaringly obvious, and make sure that they dig it to the necessary depth when crossing the lawn. 

 


As for fibre conduit, they don't seem to supply that anymore, but as pointed out above some installers will only allow the use of the correct pipe and colour.


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  Reply # 2167697 26-Jan-2019 08:05
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Mine was on a fence too, but I was kind of lucky as there's a bush blocking most of it from the street view.


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  Reply # 2167699 26-Jan-2019 08:09
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rogercruse:

 

Hopefully, you (and I) will have found another company to do a proper job (for a reasonable fee) and install the cable correctly.

 

 

another company cant run the fibre for you, chorus have to do it.

 

you can run the conduit though which they can then run the fibre through.


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  Reply # 2167700 26-Jan-2019 08:10
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if you want it done your way you will likely have to do it yourself as they are on a budget and will want to do it the quickest and easiest way to maximise their profits.




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  Reply # 2167770 26-Jan-2019 10:42
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Thanks for the comments guys.

 

Looks like I had better get A into G with getting some conduit run then. 

I do find it a little ironic that Chorus will happily run microduct along a fence, but possibly wouldn't use irrigation pipe, which surely is a perfectly acceptable conduit? If nothing else, it would be a heck of a lot easier, & cheaper for me to run in this situation. The slight kinks in the fence line will be difficult to keep tidy with rigid conduit.

 

Will do a bit of investigation. After having a quick look around, Corys seem to have a good range of stuff - does anyone have any experience with how friendly they may be giving a decent price for a cash sale? Haha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2167780 26-Jan-2019 11:19
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wratterus:

 

Thanks for the comments guys.

 

Looks like I had better get A into G with getting some conduit run then. 

I do find it a little ironic that Chorus will happily run microduct along a fence, but possibly wouldn't use irrigation pipe, which surely is a perfectly acceptable conduit? If nothing else, it would be a heck of a lot easier, & cheaper for me to run in this situation. The slight kinks in the fence line will be difficult to keep tidy with rigid conduit.

 

Will do a bit of investigation. After having a quick look around, Corys seem to have a good range of stuff - does anyone have any experience with how friendly they may be giving a decent price for a cash sale? Haha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IIRC Chorus will provide their approved conduit at little / no cost.


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  Reply # 2167784 26-Jan-2019 11:24
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Ours is on the fence also, I guess it's them doing a half arsed job that's all.


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  Reply # 2168121 26-Jan-2019 20:18
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Andib:

wratterus:



 


IIRC Chorus will provide their approved conduit at little / no cost.


When I enquired about this with Chorus, they would only provide the conduit if you had a trench open and ready - they wouldn't just deliver it for you to bury.
Not sure how they would treat a fence scenario given their company line is that ruggedized duct is fine clipped to a fence

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  Reply # 2168205 26-Jan-2019 22:21
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Jase2985:

 

rogercruse:

 

Hopefully, you (and I) will have found another company to do a proper job (for a reasonable fee) and install the cable correctly.

 

 

another company cant run the fibre for you, chorus have to do it.

 

you can run the conduit though which they can then run the fibre through.

 

 

I hate to break it to you but other companies can run chorus cables, we all know they are lazy as hell and cant do a decent job, for example there is an apartment building in Auckland that chorus are meant to be installing fiber but they have palmed that off to our data guys as they are too lazy and well pretty much suck at life and installing cables as we all know


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  Reply # 2168206 26-Jan-2019 22:25
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wratterus:

 

Thanks for the comments guys.

 

Looks like I had better get A into G with getting some conduit run then. 

I do find it a little ironic that Chorus will happily run microduct along a fence, but possibly wouldn't use irrigation pipe, which surely is a perfectly acceptable conduit? If nothing else, it would be a heck of a lot easier, & cheaper for me to run in this situation. The slight kinks in the fence line will be difficult to keep tidy with rigid conduit.

 

Will do a bit of investigation. After having a quick look around, Corys seem to have a good range of stuff - does anyone have any experience with how friendly they may be giving a decent price for a cash sale? Haha.

 

 

 

 

yeah you better or you might end up with an install like this

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/86767788/ufb-terminal-installed-in-toilet

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2168226 27-Jan-2019 07:15
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sparkz25:

 

Jase2985:

 

rogercruse:

 

Hopefully, you (and I) will have found another company to do a proper job (for a reasonable fee) and install the cable correctly.

 

 

another company cant run the fibre for you, chorus have to do it.

 

you can run the conduit though which they can then run the fibre through.

 

 

I hate to break it to you but other companies can run chorus cables, we all know they are lazy as hell and cant do a decent job, for example there is an apartment building in Auckland that chorus are meant to be installing fiber but they have palmed that off to our data guys as they are too lazy and well pretty much suck at life and installing cables as we all know

 

 

Copper, yes. Fibre, I doubt it. Hybrid you mean?


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  Reply # 2168227 27-Jan-2019 07:20
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quickymart:

sparkz25:


Jase2985:


rogercruse:


Hopefully, you (and I) will have found another company to do a proper job (for a reasonable fee) and install the cable correctly.



another company cant run the fibre for you, chorus have to do it.


you can run the conduit though which they can then run the fibre through.



I hate to break it to you but other companies can run chorus cables, we all know they are lazy as hell and cant do a decent job, for example there is an apartment building in Auckland that chorus are meant to be installing fiber but they have palmed that off to our data guys as they are too lazy and well pretty much suck at life and installing cables as we all know



Copper, yes. Fibre, I doubt it. Hybrid you mean?




Yes im talking the crappy flatcore fiber that those monkeys run with no protection appart from the 2 steel strands and the rubber sheathing.

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  Reply # 2168230 27-Jan-2019 07:51
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there are SDU's?


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