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Topic # 24840 4-Aug-2008 21:05
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Since there is no PSTN or landline forum I figured this was the closest.

It seems there is no simple way to move from naked dsl to one with a pstn and back at a later date without term contract problems.

Anyway, I need to use fax for a few months (joy) - anyway. voip isnt working out for it.

Who are the cheapest ones to provide a landline seperate to the adsl. There are already pairs to the house, and I would take care of all the wiring to where I need it (The 3rd and 4th pairs come in on a seperate cable that terminate to one of the bedrooms, not where I want the machine.

So ihug vodafone say that there is a $49 charge if there was a landline at the premisis. I only know that pair makes it to the pole in the driveway, since there used to be one pair on each cable in use, now there is 2 pairs in the cable to downstairs being used and I have no idea how many are in use on the cable down the driveway etc, but I am guessing thats not my problem, just not sure if the $49 install would cover it.

But anyway, are there any cheaper landline providers that have no connection at all? Telecom are even more expensive since it lists a site visit fee which vodafone do not.




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  Reply # 154142 4-Aug-2008 22:24
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richms: Anyway, I need to use fax for a few months (joy) - anyway. voip isnt working out for it.


Incoming or outgoing faxes?  If it's incoming, signup with 2Talk and save having to install another line with their fax-to-email service.

If it's problems with outgoing, what hardware are you using?



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  Reply # 154146 4-Aug-2008 22:31
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Both, and they have to be reliable.

Havent even tried with hardware at this stage since I have had such poor success in the past. I have a pap2t, a pap2, and a sipura - its in the garage at the moment, but its the one with the line and phone connection. Its off at the moment so I cant get to the web interface to see what it is. I don't know if the sipura does t38 regardless.

All go thru asterisk which I believe is the sticking point for t38 working, and even then I am getting frequent half to 1 second outages that I doubt t38 would handle.

Simpler to just get the line till I am done with this issue that involves dealing with luddites and their faxes...

edit: stupid typos from trying to be on a forum when not fully with it...




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  Reply # 154147 4-Aug-2008 22:37
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You may want to call Telecom to see if the site visit fee applies. It has been my experience that if the line already exists (even years ago), you only pay the standard connection fees, not the site visit fee.

Though if there has never been a second line... that could be an issue.

I agree with Nate, if its short term I would recommend a fax to email service unless you are sending a lot of faxes. I've had a bit of mixed luck with 2Talk but there was another one discussed on the forum (may pay to search as I can't remember the name) which may be worth a look.




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  Reply # 154157 4-Aug-2008 23:27
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Does anyone have more info on the phone only red network offerings on vodafone? Its $40 on the site, which is the cheapest I have found, but clicking the find out more link doesnt do anything, and the other link to pricing takes it to the wholesaled plan page which is the $42.50 one. And they now say I am in the red network area instead of it being unavailable to me so its an option.




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richms: Both, and they have to be reliable.

Havent even tried with hardware at this stage since I have had such poor success in the past. I have a pap2t, a pap2, and a sipura - its in the garage at the moment, but its the one with the line and phone connection. Its off at the moment so I cant get to the web interface to see what it is. I don't know if the sipura does t38 regardless.

All go thru asterisk which I believe is the sticking point for t38 working, and even then I am getting frequent half to 1 second outages that I doubt t38 would handle.

Simpler to just get the line till I am done with this issue that involves dealing with luddites and their faxes...

edit: stupid typos from trying to be on a forum when not fully with it...



PAP2 PAP2T does not and will not support T38




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richms: Does anyone have more info on the phone only red network offerings on vodafone? Its $40 on the site, which is the cheapest I have found, but clicking the find out more link doesnt do anything, and the other link to pricing takes it to the wholesaled plan page which is the $42.50 one. And they now say I am in the red network area instead of it being unavailable to me so its an option.

Red network plans are basically same as their wholesaled counterparts - which is why many links on the Red network pages go to the normal wholesaled ones.

Check with Vodafone to make sure of your wiring connection costs...

[Vodafone have been notoriously bad for broken links in my view - you can probably find one on every second page you visit]




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  Reply # 154474 5-Aug-2008 21:42
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I cant find anywhere to apply online and my phonecall wasnt answered in a reasonable timeframe so it looks like its telecom that is going to be providing the line.




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richms: I cant find anywhere to apply online and my phonecall wasnt answered in a reasonable timeframe so it looks like its telecom that is going to be providing the line.

You apply via the same signup form for all fixed line services, but you will be sorted into the Red network with a address check.

They did leave that out, which is slightly confusing.




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  Reply # 154478 5-Aug-2008 21:51
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That page says this tho.

Warning Don't forget - If you're already an existing Vodafone's ihug customer and want to add or change services
on your account you need to give us a call on 0800 438 448 and our customer care team will help you out.

Which is what I tried.

I want it charged onto my existing $5 dial up account that I have inorder to keep my old email address which I used extensivly before being wise to the foolishness of doing that.







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