Whenuakite Exchange Long Reach VDSL2?

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#259826 24-Oct-2019 07:48

Our weekend bach/farm is 5.5km from the Whenuakite exchange, we currently get about 1Mbps down on ADSL. We are connected to the Whenuakite exchange which is in a 'hut' and the copper cables essentially follow the road so the distance will not be out by more than a few hundred meters.

The Chorus Broadband Checker estimates our ADSL speed at 1Mbps and the VDSL speed at 2 Mbps.

I was on the phone to Spark about my motherinlaws house (a Spark account) and asked them about VDSL at the farm. Within 30 seconds Spark said the Chorus data indicated about 8 Mbps down on VDSL.

We are with Vodafone at the farm and so I called them, I ended up spending 62 minutes with them being transfered to 4 people and they are certain w cannot get VDSL at the farm.

Any advice as to who is correct. If 8 Mbps is possible that would be an amazing upgrade in speed. Unfortunately we are in a black spot for wireless, we actually have a SureSignal on the line to enable texts and calls.

The only technology that I can identify that would get more than 1 Mbps at this distance is VDSL2 with Long Reach 2. Does anyone know if LR2-VDSL2 is enabled at that exchange?

There is a figure on https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/08/bt-reveal-tech-details-expanded-long-reach-vdsl-broadband-trial.html that shows LR2 at about 2 Mbps on 0.5mm copper at 6km so 2 Mbps may be possible but 8 Mbps seems surprising.

Element: WEN-DSLAM-03
Vectoring Timeframe: 2018-05-21 23:00:00
Exchange: Whenuakite
Location: Thames-Coromandel District

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#2342771 24-Oct-2019 07:51

Never going to happen 5.5km is too far and no long reach in NZ

2km really max for VDSL

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#2342772 24-Oct-2019 07:54

I honestly doubt that exchange will have much backhaul to the core, I would look at a RBI or satellite solution

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#2342774 24-Oct-2019 07:56

@nztim The exchange could have fibre running to it and I'm sure it will but this is not the issue the issue is the distance the copper runs!

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#2342780 24-Oct-2019 08:04

Linux: @nztim The exchange could have fibre running to it and I'm sure it will but this is not the issue the issue is the distance the copper runs!

The exchange does have fibre and was upgraded about 2-3 years ago and does have VDSL as a few very close houses already have VDSL

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#2342785 24-Oct-2019 08:07

godber:

Linux: @nztim The exchange could have fibre running to it and I'm sure it will but this is not the issue the issue is the distance the copper runs!

The exchange does have fibre and was upgraded about 2-3 years ago and does have VDSL as a few very close houses already have VDSL

So the only choice you have is ADSL or look into something like a WISP

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#2342788 24-Oct-2019 08:16

At 5.5km copper is not an option for you for faster speeds. You need to look at wireless or satellite.

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#2342790 24-Oct-2019 08:26

sbiddle:

At 5.5km copper is not an option for you for faster speeds. You need to look at wireless or satellite.

I had given up on faster speed until I randomly checked the broadband checker yeterday. No WISP locally, in a Cellular black spot and Satellite just too expensive for data.

Given that Spark said they obtained the information from the Chorus database something has changed, maybe it is a data error but maybe there has been a change.

I have sent @chorusnz a link to this topic and the actual address so maybe they will reply.

Maybe there has been no change and I will have to wait for chorus or the power company in 10 to 50 years to use their rights under the Telecommunications (Property Access and Other Matters) Amendment Act to string fibre on the rural power poles.

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#2342792 24-Oct-2019 08:32

Try contacting Lightwire and see if they have any coverage where you are

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#2342800 24-Oct-2019 08:43

DjShadow:

Try contacting Lightwire and see if they have any coverage where you are

No coverage on east coast of the Coromandel Peninsula. I had called them about 3 years ago but have just called them this morning to check and still no coverage.

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#2342828 24-Oct-2019 09:46

Im sorry to say, but even without checking anything I can tell you straight up that with your distance, VDSL just will not work.

What the Spark rep has done is run an “automated prequalification test” which basically checks a few things to see what services are available to the line you are on. This gives an estimation that you would get ~1mbps down on ADSL (accurate because it has the data for your current line to work off) and a range for VDSL. Want to know what that range is? Anything from 0 mbps up to 10.

I know they have done this because I can see the history of prequal’s run on your address.

What you have probably experienced is a Spark rep trying to up sell you onto their product.

Im really sorry, but we just aren’t able to give you a better speed on DSL at this time. ^Richard

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#2342830 24-Oct-2019 09:53

Hi, so can you see any of those neighbours that can get VDSL from the exchange from your place?, if so purhaps a p2p link and site your modem at their place. If there is a hill in the way and you have access to the top of it, can you put a repeater to bridge between your neighbour with the good VDSL and your place........... as I see it, its time to think lateraly.

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#2342947 24-Oct-2019 12:01

godber:

DjShadow:

Try contacting Lightwire and see if they have any coverage where you are

No coverage on east coast of the Coromandel Peninsula. I had called them about 3 years ago but have just called them this morning to check and still no coverage.

@godber feel free to message me your address. I have done a few custom 4G rural broadband installs in non coverage areas, so can look at possible options for you.

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#2342965 24-Oct-2019 12:14

Feel free to PM me your address. Might be possible to get VDSL to a NBAP (non-building access point) and then wifi link it down/up to your place.

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#2343028 24-Oct-2019 14:15

I assume you are on SH25 or Purangi Rd areas?

I am looking at rural fibre for someone on Purangi Rd at the moment, it is an estimate install of 10k.

Is this something you might be interested in?

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#2343030 24-Oct-2019 14:16

If you wouldn't mind sharing the address with me, I'd be keen to validate why the product was misrepresented here.

I highly suspect the prequal that came back from wireline returned a range that was quoted...

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