Best value VDSL? And do different ISP's result in different ping?

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#261985 27-Dec-2019 20:16

We are currently looking for a new ISP. Preferably one that provides low ping(although i feel like all ISP's provide the same service?)

I dont mind signing up for 12month+ contract, as long as they are reliable and cost effective.

There are so many ISP's available now and it is difficult to know which is best.

Thanks in advance.

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#2381968 27-Dec-2019 20:18

@u13turbo Low ping to where? Not all ISPs route traffic the same way and routing is not static and can change

You mention best value but then you want the best routing you really need to pick one or the other

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#2381978 27-Dec-2019 20:26

By cost effective I assume you mean cheap??

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#2381981 27-Dec-2019 20:32

Still relevant: https://murfy.nz/2018/02/06/picking-the-right-isp/

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#2381983 27-Dec-2019 20:43

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@u13turbo Low ping to where? Not all ISPs route traffic the same way and routing is not static and can change

You mention best value but then you want the best routing you really need to pick one or the other

Sorry I realize that ping will depend on how far away the data is going, but was unsure if the same ping test over different ISP's would alter, which you are saying they will. So i guess the only reason I want low ping is for online gaming. NZ/AUS servers, but thats as much as I know.

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By cost effective I assume you mean cheap??

Not necessarily, Cost effective would be good results with the best price(for said good results)

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#2381998 27-Dec-2019 21:49

lowest ping isnt always what you want but more consistency. your not going to notice an extra 5ms, compared to an extra 10ms of jitter..

Picking a provider based on latency is a bit hard. NZ providers all in general are bloody solid to AU and NZ.

to US/EU/SG/NL you start to see a fair bit more diversity, but even still it's eh? always a changing world.

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#2381999 27-Dec-2019 21:56

hio77:

lowest ping isnt always what you want but more consistency. your not going to notice an extra 5ms, compared to an extra 10ms of jitter..

Picking a provider based on latency is a bit hard. NZ providers all in general are bloody solid to AU and NZ.

to US/EU/SG/NL you start to see a fair bit more diversity, but even still it's eh? always a changing world.

Thanks for the response. So basically any provider will be much the same when it comes to Au/Nz ping/jitter?

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#2382000 27-Dec-2019 22:00

u13turbo:

Thanks for the response. So basically any provider will be much the same when it comes to Au/Nz ping/jitter?

Extremely minimal. unless your not in a big city and on a smaller provider without bngs spread out.

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#2382002 27-Dec-2019 22:05

hio77:

u13turbo:

Thanks for the response. So basically any provider will be much the same when it comes to Au/Nz ping/jitter?

Extremely minimal. unless your not in a big city and on a smaller provider without bngs spread out.

We are about 30kms from christchurch, so no in a big city by any means. Really not sure what BNGS is, we are currently with "Unlimited Internet" which I would think is a small provider

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#2382007 27-Dec-2019 22:32

Any of the big players are pretty good.

For great service and price I do recommend 2degrees. As you're on Unlimited Internet you're already likely on CG-NAT (which 2degrees do by default) but the difference here is data on Unlimited Internet is shipped straight to Auckland where with 2degrees and Spark (as an example) data is shipped to the nearest point of presence (in your case, Christchurch) and routed to the best place. This could result in lower latency, but honestly you'll be hard-pressed to notice this.

Don't fall into the trap of MyRepublic. Their marketing is quite frankly false and disgusting and they're another ISP who route everything via Auckland.

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#2382008 27-Dec-2019 22:42

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#2382010 27-Dec-2019 22:45

michaelmurfy:

Don't fall into the trap of MyRepublic.

Or Trustpower!

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#2382106 28-Dec-2019 12:08

michaelmurfy:

Any of the big players are pretty good.

For great service and price I do recommend 2degrees. As you're on Unlimited Internet you're already likely on CG-NAT (which 2degrees do by default) but the difference here is data on Unlimited Internet is shipped straight to Auckland where with 2degrees and Spark (as an example) data is shipped to the nearest point of presence (in your case, Christchurch) and routed to the best place. This could result in lower latency, but honestly you'll be hard-pressed to notice this.

Don't fall into the trap of MyRepublic. Their marketing is quite frankly false and disgusting and they're another ISP who route everything via Auckland.

Thanks for your reply.

As a sort of test, I ran speedtest to Chch, then to Auckland. Chch was 35ms and Auckland was 20ms, which makes sense with what you said that data is first shipped to Auckland.

I looked at 2degrees website, $85 per month with a $200 account credit on 12months. Sounds good to me and will be signing up within the next week!

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#2382128 28-Dec-2019 12:37

@u13turbo That ping difference of 15ms is going to make next to zero difference

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#2382136 28-Dec-2019 12:49

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@u13turbo That ping difference of 15ms is going to make next to zero difference

Depends what your doing. I know it is minimal, but everything helps.

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#2382140 28-Dec-2019 12:52

u13turbo:

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@u13turbo That ping difference of 15ms is going to make next to zero difference

Depends what your doing. I know it is minimal, but everything helps.

@u13turbo These are ICMP packets so don't have priority on the network so are not a true reflection of the latency to and return from a server

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