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#268071 26-Feb-2020 16:58
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Kia ora koutou katoa!

 

About 5 years ago, I made enquiries -- unoffically -- of the cost of putting in a piece of fibre along Onekaka Iron Works Road, in Golden Bay. The unofficial, "this never happened, you didn't hear it from me" ball park estimate, which I think would have included:

 

  • digging a new pit
  • tapping into some recently laid RBI fibre that goes between Takaka and Collingwood
  • installing new equipment (GPON?? I don't really know... into a new cabinet...??
  • trenching along the road for maybe 500 metres
  • traffic management... etc., etc.

would be in the order of $30,000. 

 

That was quite a lot, so it never went anywhere. But I understood where the costs came from.

 

Fast-forward five years. The land-owner that is directly adjacent to the TAK/V cabinet asked about whether they would be able to get a fibre connection. So, I pootled off and made an Next Generation Access (NGA) enquiry to see whether the (presumably newly fibre-fed) TAK/V cabinet would enable a fibre connection to be made. The RSP has come back and said that yes, an NGA connection could be achieved, and that the estimated cost of providing a connection -- to the land-owner's boundary -- would be in the ball-park of $9,000. Additionally, if the land-owner wanted "inside boundary trenching" to be carried out to their buildings, this could be done but would bring the costings up to about $27-34,000. Again, that's quite a lot.

 

I understand that if essential equipment is not present in the locations needed, there will be costs involved in establishing them, but had naively thought that the costs of breaking a fibre out of a cabinet and ducking it under a fenceline might be a little cheaper. Presumably there'd be additional equipment to be installed at the cabinet? Or would there need to be additional equipment to be installed in the exchange?

 

There are a couple of other threads here on Geekzone, where other people, more knowledgeable in these things have explained that:

 

     

  1. not all fibre cables are equal: think mainline train tracks vs. a local off-ramp for a car
  2. a fibre cable passing by might not be easily-tappable-into ("dark fibre"?? vs fibre for service consumption??)
  3. NGA costs are still high

 

Is there someone who knows better about these things able to help me understand where the costs might be in the case of the TAK/V cabinet, and the directly-adjacent land-owner?

 

Finally, I do have a further thought. Both Takaka and Collingwood should be getting residential fibre connections by the end of 2021. Once that work had been completed, is it likely that the cost of an NGA connection somewhere between those two townships might be cheaper...? Or is that wishful thinking ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Cheers all. Hope you're having a great Wednesday afternoon!

 

   Jon

 

 


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  #2427620 26-Feb-2020 17:06
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IMO $9000 is a bargain to turn a piece of land from unusable for many people, to one that has no problems with internet access at all. 

 

Less than a driveway, less than a power connection in rural areas.





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  #2427629 26-Feb-2020 17:42
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9k is chicken feed $$$$

 
 
 
 


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  #2427674 26-Feb-2020 18:24
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It may become slightly cheaper when fibre is rolled out to the nearby towns, but you would have to wait and see.


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  #2427704 26-Feb-2020 19:40
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The quick answer is that built into the costs you're being given are the costs of getting the GPON equipment installed into the cabinet (if it's a suitable cabinet, or replacing the cabinet if it isn't), microduct broken off from the central run to install the GPON fibre, and the pit/s that will need to be added to support connecting the customer.

 

Once someone's worn those costs, it does bring down the total costs for everyone else a bit, as suddenly it goes from full network build to a network extention. $9K to the boundary is incredibly reasonable, and if I were the land owner I would consider it an investment in the land value, and be installing a trench with whatever is asked for inside it (probably ABF tubing) to get that sucker run into the house. I'd also be looking at doing Wireless point to point resale for my neighbours or asking a local WISP if they would be interested in piggybacking off my address to do something similar.





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  #2427719 26-Feb-2020 19:59
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Also that 9 grand is clearly being subsidized from somewhere to be that low, so I would get on it if its a firm offer that they have to commit to before they change their mind and charge full price for it.





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  #2427725 26-Feb-2020 20:23
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toejam316:

I'd also be looking at doing Wireless point to point resale for my neighbours or asking a local WISP if they would be interested in piggybacking off my address to do something similar.


*distant neighbours.

Almost certainly they will install a ffp pit. In which would make delivery of fibre for close properties easier.
I've seen this often drop into the medium density price card from that stage.

Wisp that services my area is also going through this process. Even for a roadside easement they do the full pit setup (which honestly makes sense just is a little more than p2p fibre in install costs.)




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  #2427726 26-Feb-2020 20:23
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Linux: 9k is chicken feed $$$$


As others have said , grab it with both hands ,

If you are planned on selling it will make it so much more attractive to purchasers ,
if you are planning on living there long term the annual difference in price between a unlimited fibre plan and an rbi will make the cost seem nothing

 
 
 
 


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  #2427728 26-Feb-2020 20:27
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wellygary:
Linux: 9k is chicken feed $$$$


As others have said , grab it with both hands ,

If you are planned on selling it will make it so much more attractive to purchasers ,
if you are planning on living there long term the annual difference in price between a unlimited fibre plan and an rbi will make the cost seem nothing

Or the discount on copper rental vs nga tail overtime if your living thereong term :)




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  #2428315 27-Feb-2020 15:24
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Hey, many thanks to all who replied -- they certainly were quick responses! Definitely food for thought.

 

Ngā mihi,

 

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  #2434390 8-Mar-2020 08:15
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We did one and it was $14k to go 8 metres.
Most of the cost was installing equipment back at the exchange and jointing several kms along with a pit.




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