1000/1000 Consumer UFB?

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#270661 20-May-2020 22:57

Now that HyperFibre is being rolled out, it seems that network providers have FINALLY given up on the ridiculous asymmetric connection speeds for fibre Internet (and not a moment too soon!).

So, my next question is; when can we have '1000/1000' UFB for home consumers?

I've seen some business level plans with this speed configuration, but nothing aimed at home users.

Anyone got any info / goss / intelligent speculation on this?

And yes, I do need (/want) faster upload speeds! :D

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#2487444 20-May-2020 23:03

Seriously? 950/450 isn't enough?

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#2487445 20-May-2020 23:04

networkn:

Seriously? 950/450 isn't enough?

as they would say on top gear Moooooore powerrrrrrrrr

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#2487446 20-May-2020 23:06

networkn:

Seriously? 950/450 isn't enough?

The fact that you would even ask that shows how little you understand my addiction :P

Also; There's no such thing as 'enough' speed :D

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#2487451 20-May-2020 23:17

unless you are a gamer downloading huge updates from steam, or working as a video editor 100/100 is plenty

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#2487459 20-May-2020 23:25

Heh, well there are 4 gamers in this household, plus we are all heavy users of streaming video, plus I run a number of servers from home, plus I work on the net all day, plus I upload large amounts of data regularly...

So yeah, I DO need all the bandwidth I can get!

Plus... I like big bits and I cannot lie... :D

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#2487460 20-May-2020 23:28

nztim: unless you are a gamer downloading huge updates from steam, or working as a video editor 100/100 is plenty

I have maxed out 100 Mbit/s easily. Does not happen all the time, but when it's update and online backup time and you have a few computers, it really is nice to have 950 Mbit/s down.

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#2487462 20-May-2020 23:32

SamF:
Heh, well there are 4 gamers in this household, plus we are all heavy users of streaming video, plus I run a number of servers from home, plus I work on the net all day, plus I upload large amounts of data regularly...

So yeah, I DO need all the bandwidth I can get!

Plus... I like big bits and I cannot lie... :D

So you are the 1% of the people with a gig plan that ACTUALLY needs it.

you can get 10gbps fibre right now! google HSNS pricing :)

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#2487463 20-May-2020 23:35

nztim:

you can get 10gbps fibre right now! google HSNS pricing :)

Sure, but I'm not that wealthy! :D

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#2487476 21-May-2020 05:44

Get the 2000/2000 hyper fiber plan then

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#2487492 21-May-2020 07:48

SamF:

Sure, but I'm not that wealthy! :D

What's your monthly usage. I use around 5 TB/month, which averages around 10 Mbps. Unless you are going through 100's of TB/month I don't know how you could be justifying plan change.

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#2487493 21-May-2020 07:56

I would love to see 5 minute average utilisation stats off your home broadband connection.
I would be extremely surprised if you managed to saturate the connect or ever consistently peak over 100mbit for more than 2% of the day.
Realistically a 200/100 plan for a household of 5 gamers as they all live streamed their games is plenty of capacity and only when updates occur would you notice any difference from that and a 1000/500 service.

A mass market broadband offering is exactly that... mass market not 0.01% of the broadband customer market who has male reproductive bits envy with showing off a speed test. (And I refer to my signature in that regard)

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#2487501 21-May-2020 08:19

SamF:

Now that HyperFibre is being rolled out, it seems that network providers have FINALLY given up on the ridiculous asymmetric connection speeds for fibre Internet (and not a moment too soon!).

So, my next question is; when can we have '1000/1000' UFB for home consumers?

I've seen some business level plans with this speed configuration, but nothing aimed at home users.

What is ridiculous about providers offering asymmetric connections on a technology that is asymmetric? With GPON only offering 1.25Gbps across a typical 16 way split offering mass market 1000/1000 plans would be a highly irresponsible thing to do without introducing performance targets that are well below what is on offer at present.

The simple fact is that 99.995% of home consumers do not need such speeds, and for those who do the options are there already to have this service at the appropriate price point to reflect the network load that will occur on such a connection - remembering that on the average Gigabit connection now average usage is a mere fraction of that, and the average Gigabit user does not even use more data or have average throughput figures that are any higher than a 100Mbps user.

If the requirement for 1000Mbps upload is there, then the network needs to be able to support it.

Hyperfibre XGS PON addresses the problem because it's not asymmetric.

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#2487502 21-May-2020 08:19

...the broadband customer market who has male reproductive bits envy with showing off a speed test. (And I refer to my signature in that regard)

Well played sir, well played.

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#2487505 21-May-2020 08:23

Hi, as mention by Steve above, GPON is inherently asymetric, its 2.5Gb/s down and 1.25Gb/s up, so I doubt GPON based product will ever be sold at Gig/Gig, currently you can get symmetic plans at 100/100 and 200/200 as this naturally does not push the contention of said GPON.

However Hyperfibre is based on XGPON which is symmetric hence plans on that are being peddled as such ie 2G/2G, 4G/4G etc.

Edit: And before you ask, the upstream optics to create XGPONs symmetric capablility are complex and expensive, hence it comes at a premium. GPON on the other hand is based on far less complex optics to be more mass acceptable $wise, hence the upstream speed is sacrificed to achieve that. As others say, is Gig/0.5Gig not enough, I am happy with my 100/20

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#2487507 21-May-2020 08:27

sbiddle:

Hyperfibre XGS PON addresses the problem because it's not asymmetric.

I thought it came in both asymmetric and symmetric varieties? So are we only getting the symmetric XG PON in NZ? If so, nice..

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