Telecoms in New Subdivisions

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#277153 29-Sep-2020 12:45

I've bought a section in a new subdivision at the outskirts of a small town The roads and services are in the early stage of being put in. It was promoted as having power and phone to the gate so I asked for confirmation that fibre is being laid and was told that it is not. The new works are a few hundred metres from the main road that is shown on the Chorus map to have fibre. Is there no requirement on builders of new subdivisions to lay fibre alongside copper as copper is becoming more or less obsolete?

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#2575792 29-Sep-2020 12:47

The developer has to pay for the in-fill. if they don't want to do it then you are likely going to be left with Fixed Wireless only

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#2575804 29-Sep-2020 13:12

Pre UFB I always thought that these types of situations were a perfect unbundling opportunity for the competing Telco's. If competitor 'A' puts cabling/fibre in the open trenches, later on they pretty much have a captive audience. ie DSL with any ISP, or Fibre/cable with us.

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#2575805 29-Sep-2020 13:12

My parents recently built a new subdivision on the North shore and they paid for fibre to be laid to the boundary of each section (under ground) and @ChorusNZ did not really charge that much was like 7k total

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#2575808 29-Sep-2020 13:17

It depends on the council subdivision requirements as to what they have to provide vs what they can provide.

Hmmmm

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#2575880 29-Sep-2020 14:22

tripper1000:

Pre UFB I always thought that these types of situations were a perfect unbundling opportunity for the competing Telco's. If competitor 'A' puts cabling/fibre in the open trenches, later on they pretty much have a captive audience. ie DSL with any ISP, or Fibre/cable with us.

Sounds like Pegasus (near Christchurch), it's a Vodafone cable only town.

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#2575881 29-Sep-2020 14:24

DarkShadow:

tripper1000:

Pre UFB I always thought that these types of situations were a perfect unbundling opportunity for the competing Telco's. If competitor 'A' puts cabling/fibre in the open trenches, later on they pretty much have a captive audience. ie DSL with any ISP, or Fibre/cable with us.

Sounds like Pegasus (near Christchurch), it's a Vodafone cable only town.

So they have monopoly over that area?

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#2576028 29-Sep-2020 18:51

Yes they (mostly) do, although some newer areas apparently now may have fibre available.

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#2576099 29-Sep-2020 19:17

IMO no subdivisions should be done without UFB from the designated LFC being available at every property for a free install once the house is built. If someone is installing copper they might have problems when people move in and all the retailers say no thanks to selling it to them.

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#2576102 29-Sep-2020 19:19

I would be really surprised if any copper was being deployed as Chorus have not deployed copper in any new subdivisions for a number of years. It's always possible it's a private copper deployment if the developer doesn't want to pay Chorus of the LFC for UFB.

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#2576110 29-Sep-2020 19:40

sbiddle:
I would be really surprised if any copper was being deployed as Chorus have not deployed copper in any new subdivisions for a number of years. It's always possible it's a private copper deployment if the developer doesn't want to pay Chorus of the LFC for UFB.

There are suburbs near carterton that have neither copper or fibre and its FWA or WISP only.
TBH this is crazy and should be a requirement before the council to grant a certificate of occupancy

rwnz

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#2576137 29-Sep-2020 20:49

I'm wondering about asking Chorus if there really is any policy around this but don't feel inclined to sit on hold, plus I don't have a lot of faith that customer services are programmed to answer this reliably so haven't invested any time into it yet.

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#2576146 29-Sep-2020 21:14

rwnz:
I'm wondering about asking Chorus if there really is any policy around this but don't feel inclined to sit on hold, plus I don't have a lot of faith that customer services are programmed to answer this reliably so haven't invested any time into it yet.

Its up to the developers they have to pay for it. Chorus wont do it for free nor will the tax payer as that money only covers existing addresses

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#2576151 29-Sep-2020 21:33

rwnz:

I'm wondering about asking Chorus if there really is any policy around this but don't feel inclined to sit on hold, plus I don't have a lot of faith that customer services are programmed to answer this reliably so haven't invested any time into it yet.

Totally up to the developer.

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#2576222 29-Sep-2020 23:03

nztim:

Its up to the developers they have to pay for it. Chorus wont do it for free nor will the tax payer as that money only covers existing addresses

Noted that the rollout funds only cover existing addresses - I didn't exactly know that. I guess that's where this falls down since, as mentioned by others, the developers won't fork out for it if there is still a strong market for their properties. So much for driving change consistent throughout the country! My current house has had Vodafone cable for years and early this year I had the offer of a free fibre install without the obligation to utilise right away which I accepted, just in case sometime in the future I wish to change (though now I may move out before that happens). Even though I had a high speed service in my 95 year old house they gave me another one, so it is ironic that a modern and otherwise high quality housing development ends up with an telecommunications connection that is almost obsolete.

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#2576246 30-Sep-2020 05:58

rwnz:

I've bought a section in a new subdivision at the outskirts of a small town The roads and services are in the early stage of being put in. It was promoted as having power and phone to the gate so I asked for confirmation that fibre is being laid and was told that it is not. The new works are a few hundred metres from the main road that is shown on the Chorus map to have fibre. Is there no requirement on builders of new subdivisions to lay fibre alongside copper as copper is becoming more or less obsolete?

It's up to the developer.

I've found LTE can be a decent alternative where Fibre/VDSL isn't viable. One of my clients just bought a brand new house in a new subdivision. The place is prewired for home networking, & I must say whoever installed the cable did a fantastic job. Textbook. The patch panel inside garage cupboard is even labeled...lol All ready for Fibre according to the little note I found inside.

But there is no Fibre to the subdivision, just copper plinths - with expected 26Mbps maximum due to distance from cabinet. We went with 4G Metro Wireless as Spark tower is 55m from the premises.

Averaging 90Mbps...

Actually on that note - is it normal for a new home to be wired for Sky/Freeview but NOT have Sky dish or antenna on the roof?

They ran RG coax from the garage cupboard to all rooms, but there's no satellite dish anywhere. Seems very odd to me.

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