which broadband providers offer a WIFI 6E router?

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#303614 22-Feb-2023 20:43

1. i'm thinking of switching to Voyager - do you think they could help me out with settings to type into this modem?
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETNGR65001/NETGEAR-NightHawk-RAXE500-Tri-Band-AXE11000-AX12-1

2. which fibre providers are offering these higher end modems with the latest wifi protocols?

please no "crabs in a bucket" replies like "YOU DON'T NEED WIFI THAT FAST, 802.11AC IS PLENTY FAST!"
don't try to gaslight me out of what i want
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#3040686 22-Feb-2023 20:46

I don't know much about that specific router, but Voyager are super helpful here on Geekzone or through the customer support contact details.

Also, they provide this with the info you need to set up your own router: https://helpdesk.voyager.co.nz/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/32/22/setting-up-your-third-party-byo-router

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#3040688 22-Feb-2023 20:53

https://support.voyager.nz/knowledgebase/article/KA-01024/en-us
I think you will not find any ISPs giving these WiFi 6E routers to their customers, cost of these are still way too expensive.

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#3040689 22-Feb-2023 20:55

don't try to gaslight me out of what i want

Not gaslighting. But buying a $1000 router and expecting the world isn’t the right thing to do and a total waste of money. Consumer grade routers like that are often a waste of money and underperform also.

No ISP provides a 6E router. But most provide WiFi 6 routers these days. Skinny / 2degrees / Orcon / Sky Broadband all provide pretty good WiFi 6 routers. You also just recently changed to Skinny and said their router was good - what's wrong with it now?

Read this: https://www.duckware.com/tech/wifi-in-the-us.html - the problem is basically none of your devices will be able to take advantage of anything these routers offer. You’re better saving your money, using Ethernet where you can and perhaps telling us what you’re wanting to achieve here. This is not gaslighting, this is allowing you to make an informed decision based off your actual needs.

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#3040691 22-Feb-2023 21:00

Something else to consider - instead of buying a $1,000 wireless router, have you considered buying a standard router (i.e. non-wireless) and then buying wireless access points that meet your requirements? Gives you a lot more flexibility, lets you upgrade in the future as specs improve, and would be cheaper than having to replace your wireless router in a few years time.

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#3040700 22-Feb-2023 21:32

Consumer grade routers are a waste of money
>i'm not looking for a pro router

they underperform
>https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/netgear-nighthawk-raxe500 "The fastest router on the planet, thanks to Wi-Fi 6e"

that's good to know that the most popular ISP's offer WIFI 6 routers - i hadn't looked for over a year and back then they mostly seemed to be offering Huawei ones

none of your devices will be able to take advantage of anything these routers offer
> i have pixel 7 pro which supports 6E and will be getting the latest macbook pro too which also supports 6E
> what's with all the assumptions bro?! maybe none of the gear YOU own will take advantage? :P

I didn't say I wanted to use ethernet, so this is entering into the gaslighting stuff i specifically asked not to get replies about 🤔

michaelmurfy:

Not gaslighting. But buying a $1000 router and expecting the world isn’t the right thing to do and a total waste of money. Consumer grade routers like that are often a waste of money and underperform also.

No ISP provides a 6E router. But most provide WiFi 6 routers these days. Skinny / 2degrees / Orcon / Sky Broadband all provide pretty good WiFi 6 routers. You also just recently changed to Skinny and said their router was good - what's wrong with it now?

Read this: https://www.duckware.com/tech/wifi-in-the-us.html - the problem is basically none of your devices will be able to take advantage of anything these routers offer. You’re better saving your money, using Ethernet where you can and perhaps telling us what you’re wanting to achieve here. This is not gaslighting, this is allowing you to make an informed decision based off your actual needs.

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#3040701 22-Feb-2023 21:39

@trak The Pixel 7 Pro supports 2x2 WiFi 6E. The latest MacBook also supports 2x2 6E. You'll be still limited...

If you read that link I sent you:

MOST client devices today are stuck at 2×2 MIMO: As can be seen from the tables (right), most client devices today are STILL only 2×2 MIMO. Why haven't devices switched to 4×4? Because (1) there is (currently) no compelling need for that speed today (there is no app that 'requires' 400 Mbps to function) and more importantly (2) the increased speed is not worth the tradeoff in greatly reduced run time for battery powered devices.

Supporting 4×4 MIMO takes a lot more power, and for battery powered devices, runtime is FAR more important.

You will see the spec sheets for many modern phones that MIMO is 4×4, but look closely and notice that this is for cellular, not Wi-Fi.

However, of note is that many (non-Apple) Wi-Fi 6/6E devices support 160-MHz channels (HE160), which instantly doubles throughput vs Wi-Fi 5 using 80-MHz channels (VHT80). So speed is increasing dramatically via wider channels, not increased MIMO levels.

Hence why it is a total waste of money, you're not going to see anything that router can offer as mobile devices (especially) favor battery savings instead. You also have to remember, many of us on here work in this industry. This is not gaslighting, this is letting you know the truth and allowing you to make a more informed decision.

You're not going to get confirmation bias around here. If you're dead set on buying that router then go ahead. But it also would be nice to know what you're attempting to accomplish in order to help you make the right choice.

Also, you linked a $1000 router and state "you're not looking for a pro router" so mention what you are actually looking for?

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#3040702 22-Feb-2023 21:42

By the way, I have 3 Grandstream 802.11AX Wi-Fi 6 access points around my home. In perfect conditions, i.e. 1 to 2 metres away from the access point, my Galaxy S23 can connect at 1.2Gbps which is faster than my 1Gbps fibre connection can handle.

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#3040703 22-Feb-2023 21:44

I'm also using Grandstream Wireless AX access points (x3) and can get Gigabit on most of my devices. Much cheaper than dropping $1000 on a router since they're less than $200 each :)

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#3040705 22-Feb-2023 21:47

@amanzi and @michaelmurfy, which model of Grandstream AP you are using? :)

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#3040707 22-Feb-2023 21:48

AKLWestie:

@amanzi and @michaelmurfy, which model of Grandstream AP you are using? :)

3 x GWN7660

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#3040708 22-Feb-2023 21:49

I've got both the Grandstream GWN7664 as well as the GWN7660. To be honest I'd recommend the 7660 only due to it being cheaper, smaller and actually performing the same on a Gigabit connection (I get Gigabit out of it fine). They're great access points for the price.

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#3040710 22-Feb-2023 21:56

Also @trak have a look at Quic Broadband (https://quic.nz) - there is a thread here also: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=299332

Good value ISP as long as you don't mind doing self support. You can use your Skinny router there also. But also would be good to know why you're considering switching providers given Spark / Skinny are not bad providers either?

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#3040711 22-Feb-2023 21:57

The DN8245X6 which is what we provide to new connections on 12 month term or outright at $149 plus postage you will get a gig on a 4x4 WiFi 6 client. Have personally validated this. 2x2 you'll see 700mbps tops.

Might be a Vodafone employee but I do validate gateways and a lot of them are good these days and I will remove my bias.

Will agree with Michael and the others you really don't need to spend loads.

It's still your choice you can still choose to ignore the advice given. Your ISP may not be able to help you much if it all goes wrong.

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#3040715 22-Feb-2023 22:41

@trak My 2 year old Fritzbox 7490 supplied by 2degrees can easily reach over 800Mbps down and 400+ up and when way at the other end of the house 200 down

Oh I have a 2015 Macbook pro this was done on :)

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#3040823 23-Feb-2023 11:42

Lads

I don't think old mates after any actual advice or practical solutions.

More of a keyboard crusade based on the replies

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