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Topic # 30392 6-Feb-2009 16:04
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If you look at most nz isps they have plans that throttle your speed down to 64kbps if you go over your cap. why don't any isps offer a different throttle speed of 128kbps instead of 64kbps?

Some isps like vodafone and xtra have different data caps but they have the same 64kbps throttle speed. with the recession and things getting more expensive i would think people probably can't afford to purchase a higher data cap plan so i am just wondering why isps don't differentiate their throttle speeds to attract or keep customers?

for example xtra and vodafone have the same 64kbps throttle speed and their caps are nearly the same. if xtra kept it's 64kbps throttle speed and vodafone increased their throttle speed to 128kbps then i would join vodafone.

so back to my original question. why don't nz isps have different throttling speeds?

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Reply # 194485 6-Feb-2009 16:10
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If you would really like an answer, think about how much more damage (i.e. how much over your cap) one could do on a 128kbps restricted speed vs. 64kbps restricted speed.

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  Reply # 194512 6-Feb-2009 18:39
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ISP's will draw customers because of the suitable speed/data plans.. not because of the speed restriction once youve hit your data cap..

The point being that you do everything you can to stay within your allocated data..and if you cant. change to a more appropriate plan datawise .. as opposed to finding a plan which provides a higher speed restriction? That's a horrible perspective to be basing your choice of ISP on.

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  Reply # 194524 6-Feb-2009 19:32
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Damager: Who does that?

Someone who has to choose between two otherwise identical ISPs.




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  Reply # 194525 6-Feb-2009 19:35
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I guess he was talking about an 128Kbps unlimited plan,  which could be possible as the speed would be it's own data cap.

Still most ISP's resell a Telecom product, so there is not way they can tweak it.

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  Reply # 194529 6-Feb-2009 19:42
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Detruire:
Damager: Who does that?

Someone who has to choose between two otherwise identical ISPs.


a valid point.. but i'd think that with 2 identical ISPs.. choosing one over the other due to a higher throttled speed would be somewhere way down the bottom of the list of priorities..

as nzbw said, the difference between 64 and 128k isnt really that significant when it comes to how much more data you do over the cap..




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  Reply # 194531 6-Feb-2009 20:21
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Damager: a valid point.. but i'd think that with 2 identical ISPs.. choosing one over the other due to a higher throttled speed would be somewhere way down the bottom of the list of priorities..

Yes, it would be somewhere down the list. Personally, I'd rather have 64kbps faster internet during peak hours than an extra 64kbps once capped.




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  Reply # 194552 6-Feb-2009 23:01
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hellonearthisman: Still most ISP's resell a Telecom product, so there is not way they can tweak it.

They can, 256k line profiles are no longer offered however ISP's like slingshot simply cap it on their end.

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  Reply # 194630 7-Feb-2009 13:09
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7 days downloading over cap at

64k   = 4.8gb
128k = 9.6gb
256k = 19.2gb

Then there is all those people who have a cheap 3gb plan because its only $40 and go over their cap early in the month - and dont know any better - then dont have to pay any extra but continue to leave their computer downloading torrents / limewire. By increasing their restricted speed, the result would be a huge increase in costs to isp's.




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  Reply # 194657 7-Feb-2009 15:51
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slingshot have unlimited data offpeak which would increase it's cost but i'm guessing they do it to attract or keep their customers. not everyone uses their data cap though so by having a 128kbps throttle speed should even things out.

raytaylor: 7 days downloading over cap at

64k   = 4.8gb
128k = 9.6gb
256k = 19.2gb

Then there is all those people who have a cheap 3gb plan because its only $40 and go over their cap early in the month - and dont know any better - then dont have to pay any extra but continue to leave their computer downloading torrents / limewire. By increasing their restricted speed, the result would be a huge increase in costs to isp's.

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  Reply # 194663 7-Feb-2009 17:33
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richgamer: slingshot have unlimited data offpeak which would increase it's cost


If you cap has run out, then the unlimited data offpeak data comes in at your capped speed.
I have run out of cap for three months,  I buy 50GB data blocks for $1 a GB which doesn't expire for a year.
This last month my 24.35GB  and Data OffPeak 58.02GB,   so I only used $10 with of extra data.

I would rater see the basic upload speed increased to match the Red Networks.

128kBps Chorus vs 512kBps Red Network.

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  Reply # 194668 7-Feb-2009 17:49
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Why should that spend time and money on optimizing service for a marginal amount of users, it simply doesn't make sense.  I haven't seen any exact numbers but most people just add more data blocks or never hit their cap.

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Reply # 194672 7-Feb-2009 18:26
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There are people out there who don't reach their cap? Surprised

Unless their cap is >60GB, that's a waste of perfectly good transfer (and it's not like it's hard to do 60GB in a few days)




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  Reply # 194673 7-Feb-2009 18:45
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Ragnor: Why should that spend time and money on optimizing service for a marginal amount of users, it simply doesn't make sense.  I haven't seen any exact numbers but most people just add more data blocks or never hit their cap.


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  Reply # 194675 7-Feb-2009 19:04
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Detruire: There are people out there who don't reach their cap? Surprised


It's true, some people don't use all their cap.  They must be the ones without teenagers and use it for a TV guide, email and newspapers or the new fangdled googleing????

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  Reply # 194903 9-Feb-2009 14:42
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hellonearthisman: Still most ISP's resell a Telecom product, so there is not way they can tweak it.


Most ISPs resell a Telecom Wholesale product, not a Telecom Retail product.
If you check out the Wholesale website, you will see that these products come as either FS/128 or FS/FS variants.  Therefore if an ISP wants to restrict the bandwidth even further, then they can do so.  So in essence "yes they can tweak it".




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