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#304274 19-Apr-2023 14:10

Hi everyone.

I have a client for whom those who make decisions have decided they don't like Huawei (This is likely political but who knows, could be old fashioned paranoia).

They are on Enable Fibre in Christchurch.

Enable have said they won't offer any other ONT.

I vaguely remember hearing stories of people using Fibre SFP modules in switches in place of the ONT but I think that was a Chorus connection or might have been the old dark fibre with Enable not GPON.

How much more than a Fibre Transceiver is the ONT?? I imagine there is authentication involved at the very least.

I think they're nuts as obviously support is a lot easier when you are using vendor supplied gear but I thought I'd ask the question.

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#3065584 19-Apr-2023 14:16

Chorus were talking about it but i dont know if they actually implemented it, but chorus use nokia gear anyways.

Your stuck with what the LFC offers really.

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#3065588 19-Apr-2023 14:19

There is nothing that you can do about it.

Tell your customer they are being irrational and the only hardware vendor in the Enable LFC area is Huawei and there is no ability to swap out the ONT for something different. As it is all supplied, managed and ultimately owned by Enable. Also that if they were able to find an Enable supplied SFP ONT for many thousands that Enable should rightfully charge them for. The other end of the UFB connection is going into a Huawei OLT. So other than not having a single box on their premises there is still a full Huawei stack behind it.

If they don't want to use a Huawei ONT they can move their whole business to somewhere other than Christchurch or Hamilton as Ultra Fast Fibre (UFF) also use Huawei up there. As I don't think Chorus supply any UFB in the Christchurch LFC area even if you wanted them to.

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#3065591 19-Apr-2023 14:21

Your only option for not using the Enable supplied Huawei ONT would be moving off GPON to traditional P2P fibre where you have more options (Chorus, One etc.) to choose from.

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#3065592 19-Apr-2023 14:22

Some areas in Christchurch have both Enable and Chorus availability else you're stuck with Huawei for the ONT.

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#3065596 19-Apr-2023 14:31

BS4 with enable from memory is usually delivered on a cisco for the UNI if you want RJ45, else at bs4 you can request a glass only UNI.
Or as others have mentioned, p2p/DFAS through any of the big 3 telcos, maybe others too. Then do whatever you want on it though it complicates quickly since I assume they really only want internet access (price skyrockets too for installs like this).
Depending where in Christchurch, there are pockets that can consume chorus and so Nokia, but thats area dependent.

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#3065598 19-Apr-2023 14:32

BarTender:

There is nothing that you can do about it.

Tell your customer they are being irrational and the only hardware vendor in the Enable LFC area is Huawei and there is no ability to swap out the ONT for something different. As it is all supplied, managed and ultimately owned by Enable. Also that if they were able to find an Enable supplied SFP ONT for many thousands that Enable should rightfully charge them for. The other end of the UFB connection is going into a Huawei OLT. So other than not having a single box on their premises there is still a full Huawei stack behind it.

If they don't want to use a Huawei ONT they can move their whole business to somewhere other than Christchurch or Hamilton as Ultra Fast Fibre (UFF) also use Huawei up there. As I don't think Chorus supply any UFB in the Christchurch LFC area even if you wanted them to.

You make a very good point - I'll dump it down for them that the platform is Huawei based so even if the COULD get a different ONT it is linking to Huawei equipment at the other end of their piece of Fibre so if they think Huawei is spying on NZ Businesses they are sitting at the core of the network so the little white box on the wall means nothing. Which technically speaking is true.

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#3065600 19-Apr-2023 14:34

What XGS-ONT do Enable use for Hyperfibre?? is it still Huawei? or a Nokia like Chorus

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#3065606 19-Apr-2023 14:41

wellygary:

What XGS-ONT do Enable use for Hyperfibre?? is it still Huawei? or a Nokia like Chorus

Also Huawei.

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#3065786 19-Apr-2023 18:36

If they want to pay a significant sum of money per month, they could always ask their RSP to deliver DFAS service. Then between their RSP and them they can put whatever optical transceiver on the line they so choose.

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#3065811 19-Apr-2023 20:14

Nope, not going to happen.

It would be a bit like asking Sky to use your own decoder, etc - which wouldn't happen either.

Besides, what happens if the customer-supplied ONT dies? Enable wouldn't help them.

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#3065839 19-Apr-2023 22:31

They could ask their RSP to get an NOA quote from Chorus. As others have alluded to, Chorus does have some UFB network in the Christchurch area that can potentially be leveraged, and if a customer is willing and has the means to pay for it, Chorus can extend their network just about anywhere.

It's unlikely to be cheap but value in this case is directly proportionate to their desire not to use Huawei equipment I guess....

Ask them how badly they DON'T want to use Huawei gear? $20k badly? $50k? $100k?

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#3065841 19-Apr-2023 22:38

I read Enable was moving away from Huawei core network?

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#3065947 20-Apr-2023 10:50

quickymart:

Nope, not going to happen.

It would be a bit like asking Sky to use your own decoder, etc - which wouldn't happen either.

Not quite. You can get third party decoder boxes that will work.

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#3066014 20-Apr-2023 12:05

boosacnoodle:

quickymart:

Nope, not going to happen.

It would be a bit like asking Sky to use your own decoder, etc - which wouldn't happen either.

Not quite. You can get third party decoder boxes that will work.

But on your own if anything goes wrong/fails to work.

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#3066020 20-Apr-2023 12:20

boosacnoodle:

quickymart:

Nope, not going to happen.

It would be a bit like asking Sky to use your own decoder, etc - which wouldn't happen either.

Not quite. You can get third party decoder boxes that will work.

I've never known anyone to do that - and I know a fair few people with Sky. But, caveat emptor - if it dies, you're also on your own.

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