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#311616 1-Feb-2024 13:50

Finally decided its time to move on from voyager for various reasons, and will go to quic with hyperfiber for the new connection.

So anyway, as I will not be in a rush to do it like with the first fiber install where I got it put where they were happy to do it without entering the basement or drilling potenitally asbestos containing material, I figure I may as well get the ONT in the server closet where I want it (needs a basement run and up the inside of a wall - easy for me to do ahead of time)

When they do a new hyperfiber install and keep the legacy fiber ONT intact, I assume they would joint another piece onto the run in the box outside and run to the new ONT. What is the process if I want to get a piece of it to run before they come?

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#3189262 1-Feb-2024 14:03

Both the external and internal fibre has two physical fibres. Based on my two-ONT setup, I would expect they would attach to the second fibre behind the first ONT and run a pigtail to the second ONT, placed right next to it.

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#3189263 1-Feb-2024 14:15

Whilst it is common to have the second ONT pigtailed from the primary ONT and mounted right next to it, you can request that the second fibre be run along a different pathway from the external termination point (ETP/FTP) on the outside of the dwelling (assuming you have an ETP of course).

You may need to discuss the pathway with the technician on-site, and then ask for a follow-up appointment for installation if you want to install your own conduit in the intervening time.

The views expressed by me are not necessarily those of my employer Chorus NZ Ltd

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#3189269 1-Feb-2024 14:32

No no way I can just get 20m of the cable and get it installed and only have to take a single day off work to get it done?

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#3189491 1-Feb-2024 22:56

richms:

No no way I can just get 20m of the cable and get it installed and only have to take a single day off work to get it done?

Chorus techs can't/won't use any fibre cabling that Chorus hasn't supplied them directly, however you could potentially run your own empty conduit/duct with a draw wire for the tech to install the cable into.

Unfortunately we aren't dealing with absolutes - I can't say with 100% certainty what route can or can't be taken onsite. It's really something the tech has to see first.

Also, whether the property is served by connectorised fibre or fibre that is air-blown in a continuous run from the roadside cabinet could also make a difference.

Saturday appointments are available in almost all areas for residential orders - is that an option for you?

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#3189494 1-Feb-2024 23:26

richms:

No no way I can just get 20m of the cable and get it installed and only have to take a single day off work to get it done?

What happens if that cable you supplied yourself develops a fault? Chorus wouldn't touch it.

Maybe try for a Saturday install, as suggested above?

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#3189527 2-Feb-2024 06:58

richms:

No no way I can just get 20m of the cable and get it installed and only have to take a single day off work to get it done?

When I first moved from copper to Fibre, I preinstalled conduit from ETP to where I wanted to have the ONT. Sweeping bends, not elbows, with a draw-wire in for Chorus to use to pull new fibre through.

Worked perfectly, techs advised me it was the quickest and easiest install they have ever had to do ha.

I would do this if i were you, pulling a cable through a well installed and planned conduit takes a matter of minutes so generally quicker than the tech having to staple/clip to skirting or under the house.

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#3189538 2-Feb-2024 08:12

Johnk:

When I first moved from copper to Fibre, I preinstalled conduit from ETP to where I wanted to have the ONT. Sweeping bends, not elbows, with a draw-wire in for Chorus to use to pull new fibre through.

Worked perfectly, techs advised me it was the quickest and easiest install they have ever had to do ha.

I would do this if i were you, pulling a cable through a well installed and planned conduit takes a matter of minutes so generally quicker than the tech having to staple/clip to skirting or under the house.

I did something similar, but mine was a new build, so Conduit from Boundry directly to the right place in the house, and they did an "ETP less" Install where there is no ETP.

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#3189541 2-Feb-2024 08:33

With my installation there is about 10M of Fibre wrapped up in the ETP allowing easy relocation the ONT (which I don't want to do anyway as it's in my rack)

I assume yours is the same, I would do all the hard work running PVC internally with a draw cable to where you want the ONT to go and then get them to come relocate it.,

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#3189613 2-Feb-2024 11:57

If you use something like 25mm Alkathene water pipe it will be cheaper and you can literally push 50m of cable through it because it is so slippery (assuming no joins and you have room for the large bend radius)

I have put it in a few installs and it works great.. the Chorus guys seem pretty happy

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#3189631 2-Feb-2024 13:14

nztim:

With my installation there is about 10M of Fibre wrapped up in the ETP allowing easy relocation the ONT (which I don't want to do anyway as it's in my rack)

I assume yours is the same, I would do all the hard work running PVC internally with a draw cable to where you want the ONT to go and then get them to come relocate it.,

My install was done on the opposite side of the wooden wall directly below where the cable attaches to the house as the other location was thru a fiber cement board wall which is probably ACM - Ideally I want it in the server cupboard which is under the stairs in the middle of the house so needs a basement run. I will have to go around the edge of the house and back in as a direct line across is thru part of it where I want to drop the floor down so best to avoid having to move it again by attaching to that part of it.

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#3192417 8-Feb-2024 12:46

Im going to hold off till the new ONT is available I have decided so that gives me plenty of time to get some conduit in place for them to put the fibre thru.

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#3193685 10-Feb-2024 22:03

Hang on fellas

Chorus guides for new homes specify the builder is required to preinstall an opticat cable between the ETP location and the homehub. You can go down to your local ideal electrical branch and buy some opticat cable.

Its completely normal for electricians or people with the skills to pre-install an opticat and the chorus installers will install an ETP over the opticat as it exits through the cladding of the house and then install an ONT on the internal end, wherever that may be (homehub or proposed ONT location).

Just run some opticat from next to the existing chorus ETP, to the location you want the new ONT installed - inside some conduit is always ideal wherever it is exposed externally.
If you pre-wire the opticat then the installers only need to turn up and splice the cable into the ETP and mount the ONT at the other end. You could indeed have it done by the chorus techs in 1-2 hours.

Leave a couple of metres coiled up at each end for the splicing.

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#3193791 11-Feb-2024 07:57

Wheelbarrow01:

Chorus techs can't/won't use any fibre cabling that Chorus hasn't supplied them directly, however you could potentially run your own empty conduit/duct with a draw wire for the tech to install the cable into.

Unfortunately we aren't dealing with absolutes - I can't say with 100% certainty what route can or can't be taken onsite. It's really something the tech has to see first.

Also, whether the property is served by connectorised fibre or fibre that is air-blown in a continuous run from the roadside cabinet could also make a difference.

Saturday appointments are available in almost all areas for residential orders - is that an option for you?

Just so you know, I've had techs turn down jobs -because- the fibre hasn't already been run for them inside internal ducting to a comms cupboard...many times. Using the same type they use but definitely not supplied by them. Maybe something to reiterate to them?

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#3193796 11-Feb-2024 08:20

Hi, I have preinstalled more opti5e runs from the proposed ETP to comms room/cabinet than I care to remember, never had Chorus refuse to use it, quite the opposite most of them rejoice as the hard part is done.

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#3193831 11-Feb-2024 13:08

raytaylor:

Its completely normal for electricians or people with the skills to pre-install an opticat and the chorus installers will install an ETP over the opticat as it exits through the cladding of the house and then install an ONT on the internal end, wherever that may be (homehub or proposed ONT location).

This happened at my current place. The technician who installed my ONT did not supply the opticat cable in the conduit running between the ETP and comms cabinet. They just spliced in the existing cable left by the developer.