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Topic # 55645 7-Jan-2010 09:11
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It's me again, the chap from Europe asking about ISPs.

One other thing I've noticed is that ISPs in NZ have a charge for static IP.  I mention this not as a criticism of NZ but as a hopefully interesting observation as I've never come across this before. (Mods - please move to my other thread if needed).

In Europe I was used to just finding out my ISPs DNS then changing my settings to static ISP and hey presto  (used it for port forwarding).  Is there a valid justification for this charge i.e. what are the costs involved to the ISP?




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  Reply # 287684 7-Jan-2010 09:20
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Just a FYI, Orcon currently gives statics by default with no extra charge.


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  Reply # 287703 7-Jan-2010 09:44
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While static IP's are certainly the exception rather than the norm plenty of ISP's don't charge extra.

TelstraClear use static IP's on their cable network by default and static IP's are available on most Telecom Broadand plans (I believe Big Time may be the only plan that it isn't) - on most plans there is no extra charge.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 287708 7-Jan-2010 10:05
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Yep, I have had the IP address on TCL cable network for the last four years. Only changed because I moved houses - the previous one was the same for about seven years.






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  Reply # 287713 7-Jan-2010 10:13
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freitasm: Yep, I have had the IP address on TCL cable network for the last four years. Only changed because I moved houses - the previous one was the same for about seven years.

But no cable in Auckland am I right in saying?




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  Reply # 287730 7-Jan-2010 11:30
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sbiddle: While static IP's are certainly the exception rather than the norm plenty of ISP's don't charge extra.


My understand was most ISPs do charge for static IPs for residential connections.  Certainly my experience in having ihug (now Vodafone), Telecom, Xnet and TelstraClear all charge a small fee for a static IP.

PenultimateHop gives a good explanation of why the charge is justified.

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  Reply # 287733 7-Jan-2010 11:35
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I just looked at the Telecom site. On all business plans and Pro a static IP is included for free.

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  Reply # 287789 7-Jan-2010 14:32
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aboylikedave:
freitasm: Yep, I have had the IP address on TCL cable network for the last four years. Only changed because I moved houses - the previous one was the same for about seven years.

But no cable in Auckland am I right in saying?


Correct.




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  Reply # 287825 7-Jan-2010 15:42
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*most* dsl users don't need to have a static IP, typically ISPs will allow businesses to as they understand that many businesses run their own mail servers etc.

Some ISPs also have long lease times on their dynamic IPs so even a brief outage or modem re-sync will not force a new IP address to be assigned to a user, and if that isn't enough then $10 per month is pretty standard.

Luckily APNIC is pretty laxed with their policing as I know several ISPs who could easily get busted for not accounding honestly for their IP usage.



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  Reply # 287868 7-Jan-2010 19:19
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insane: *most* dsl users don't need to have a static IP

tbh I only ever used it for port forwarding for torrents but for $20 per month I can't say I actually download enough torrents in reality to justify the extra that it gave me.




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  Reply # 288144 8-Jan-2010 14:41
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aboylikedave:
insane: *most* dsl users don't need to have a static IP

tbh I only ever used it for port forwarding for torrents but for $20 per month I can't say I actually download enough torrents in reality to justify the extra that it gave me.


I think you're getting confused with WAN and LAN IPs. You don't need a static WAN IP to setup port forwarding

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  Reply # 288172 8-Jan-2010 15:20
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Same IP with Slingshot for ~16 months now - despite the modem being off for extended periods (2+ weeks) 3 or 4 times.




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Reply # 288220 8-Jan-2010 16:38
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insane:
aboylikedave:
insane: *most* dsl users don't need to have a static IP

tbh I only ever used it for port forwarding for torrents but for $20 per month I can't say I actually download enough torrents in reality to justify the extra that it gave me.


I think you're getting confused with WAN and LAN IPs. You don't need a static WAN IP to setup port forwarding

Ah, I was indeed just talking about a statis LAN IP. I'll assume therefore that these don't cost $20! Hence my suprise and confusion!!




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Reply # 288231 8-Jan-2010 16:56
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aboylikedave: Ah, I was indeed just talking about a statis LAN IP. I'll assume therefore that these don't cost $20! Hence my suprise and confusion!!

I'd certainly be annoyed if my router started charging me for not allowing it to allocate my PCs IPs.




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  Reply # 288259 8-Jan-2010 19:11
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Detruire:
aboylikedave: Ah, I was indeed just talking about a statis LAN IP. I'll assume therefore that these don't cost $20! Hence my suprise and confusion!!

I'd certainly be annoyed if my router started charging me for not allowing it to allocate my PCs IPs.

Indeed. 'Embarrased at confusion caused by my lack of geekness' icon. 'A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing'!




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