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Topic # 59404 5-Apr-2010 13:15
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hi is if concefible to use 1.5-2.5gb a day watching youtube. our quota is running out fast. im not sure if it the others in the flat or if its me watching youtube.

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  Reply # 314952 5-Apr-2010 14:19
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How long are you watching YouTube for?



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  Reply # 314986 5-Apr-2010 15:44
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Probably a couple of hours over the day. Just about all videos are at 480p.

I know it's using a bit but I was just suprised that it's that much.

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  Reply # 315010 5-Apr-2010 16:35
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unlikely.

I remember reading a couple of years ago that youtube vids were 300kbps, which equates to something like 130MB per hour if you are constantly downloading the whole time (which of course you wouldn't be).

I think the 480p vids are at 900kbps, so that is a theoretical max of 400MB per hour.
so i would say it is possible,  but unlikely.  2GB would be around 5 hours worth of vids at 480p.  that is a hell fo a lot.



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  Reply # 315060 5-Apr-2010 18:54
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well it could of been close to 5hrs maybe. i was quite bored yesterday it looked like it was going to rain all day

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  Reply # 315163 5-Apr-2010 23:54
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sheesh, what are you watching for 5 hours?

"dramatic chipmunk" refreshed a million times?

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  Reply # 315271 6-Apr-2010 11:42
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You're in a flat? Chances are your flatties are downloading other things and hoping no one will notice.

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  Reply # 315988 7-Apr-2010 23:12
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That is normal usage for the internet, you are just paying lots for it because you are in NZ.

Ignore what ISPs say about 10 gigs being "heaps" because it is less than a days usage if you watch lots of stuff on several computers in a flat. even less if you torrent, webcam, etc. just an ok watching ustream will be 6-700kbit/sec.

Pricing in NZ is not suitable for the internet of 3 years ago, even less the internet of today. I will probably be spending more on internet than power again this month. That tells you how F---d up the NZ pricing is.




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  Reply # 316008 8-Apr-2010 00:29
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yeah that's fine when i actually thought about it it made sense. its just so easy to think "i haven't downloaded a file where did my data go." especially when its actually downloading fast downloaded the weekends F1 race last night 1.6GB under 40min average 800MB/s. for adsl1 I'm happy with that.

yea we have a 51gb quota here and are lucky that we only get charged $2 per GB over. and that tvnz on-demand is not counted as one person watches that for hrs a night.

unfortunately i got hooked on YouTube when that wasn't counted last year probably easily 30GB a month is YouTube. rest is a mix of xbox live, general browsing and a couple of tv shows from eztv a week.

its just  a little annoying that we have almost run out of quota and still have 14days till new stuff. only myself to blame though, not complaining.

only major difference i saw with the pricing in Australia was different off peak and on peak quota, also uploads not being charged. in saying that though i was paying about the same as i am now for 40/60gb adsl2(Au$160 if i remember correctly and no difference in cost between adsl and adsl2 just depended where you lived. i was getting around 4.5mbit down and 1mbit up) im now paying NZ$145 for 50gb for adsl but getting 6-7mbit down max up. both of those are including phone and phone charge was allot less over there then here

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  Reply # 316013 8-Apr-2010 00:46
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Comparing pricing with australia isnt really that useful because they are second only to NZ for obscenely priced underperforming internet connections.

Friend has some rellies in the UK, one on virgin "fiber optic" at their shop which is really cable, and one that has adsl2+ at their house. Both pay less than I do per month before I even add on any data (well one is about the same) and they dont have any hard caps like we do. They do say they will contact you if you go over your cap, but we have blitzed that by 100s of gigs most month and they have heard nothing about it.

Someone should arrange some sort of protest or something.

I think an easier way is to just leave the country to be honest. I plan to in a few years unless things get a lot better here.




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  Reply # 316021 8-Apr-2010 05:39
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Are you using a wireless network, and if so is it secured? Neighbours tapping in to an insecure network can easily chew through your data allowance.

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  Reply # 316203 8-Apr-2010 13:25
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richms: Comparing pricing with australia isnt really that useful because they are second only to NZ for obscenely priced underperforming internet connections.

Friend has some rellies in the UK, one on virgin "fiber optic" at their shop which is really cable, and one that has adsl2+ at their house. Both pay less than I do per month before I even add on any data (well one is about the same) and they dont have any hard caps like we do. They do say they will contact you if you go over your cap, but we have blitzed that by 100s of gigs most month and they have heard nothing about it.

Someone should arrange some sort of protest or something.

I think an easier way is to just leave the country to be honest. I plan to in a few years unless things get a lot better here.


Be realistic dude, no NZ ISPs are turning huge profits so its not like pricing can suddenly be that much more competitive. The issue is the lack of local NZ content which is far far far cheaper to deliver and the cost of providing the service to a country far more sparsely populated than Britain. Telstra/Telecom peering aren't really promoting internet growth either....





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  Reply # 316240 8-Apr-2010 15:31
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Plenty of issues for local ISP's to deal with that impact pricing:

- Wholesale port cost
- National backhaul cost
- International transit cost
- Lack of scale to spread fixed costs over, the largest NZ ISP's are tiny in comparison to international ones.

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  Reply # 316395 9-Apr-2010 00:29
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Ragnor: Plenty of issues for local ISP's to deal with that impact pricing:

- Wholesale port cost
- National backhaul cost
- International transit cost
- Lack of scale to spread fixed costs over, the largest NZ ISP's are tiny in comparison to international ones.


Yeah its a catch 22 situation, as an ISP you want to scale so you get the benifits of cheaper bulk bandwidth pricing but there are some pretty hard limits put on your xDSL handover links (32kbps avg per user) which makes it really hard to promote high internet usage. of course you also require ever more or larger handover links and pickup the backhaul data charges associated with more usage.

Untill the xDSL port prices drop you won't see a huge improvement in DSL pricing as the port price alone would make up at least 50% of the average DSL monthly bill.

Back to the OP's question about youtube, I'd say you can easily do that much usage in a days watching. Also have to remember that your PC's are always constitantly downloading updates etc which all adds up.

In a flatt situation I wouldn't bother having a plan with less than a 50GB cap when you have overcharges to think of, the risks of a blowout are just too much and recovering the money from the guilty party is a difficult sell to someone non technical.

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