Is the internet in NZ censored?

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Milutiche

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#60154 20-Apr-2010 19:49

Hi there, I was lurking some conspiracy threads and found that some wont open unless I use a site called www.secretaccess.org one in particular www.911lies.org comes up with "internet explorer cannot display the webpage" whats the deal with this? are we being restricted to what we can view on the net and if so who buy? our Internet providers or govt?

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#320872 20-Apr-2010 20:02

Hmm i cant get there directly either, but using a proxy I can get there.
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ can see it fine....

Let the theories start to fly ;)

Update : Cant get there from my Orcon line or a Telstra fibre line.
Maybe the site blocks non-US access ?

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#320877 20-Apr-2010 20:05

"Puts Foil hat on and sits and watches"

But in all seriousness, Chances are it is a error somewhere in the lines to the server, or They have limited access to certain country's and the proxy happens to be in one of the allowed country.

andysh

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#320878 20-Apr-2010 20:08

Can't access it directly either, weird!

SCM

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#320902 20-Apr-2010 20:36

can access it via web proxys in...
*UK
*Malaysia
*Netherlands
*Singapore
*Taiwan
*Spain
*Argentina

Cant access from home (Snap nDSL) or auzzy web proxy

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#320904 20-Apr-2010 20:37

There are a lot of other sites hosted on the same IP address. And they are unable to be accessed. tracert cannot even complete it, unless I provide it with the IP address. There are no government cover ups here

/gets back into black helicopter

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#320908 20-Apr-2010 20:43

the 911 site works thru my slingshot connection

Interesting how it looks like some website from a famous "internet" e-author trying to sell some e-book with secrets on how to work 2 hours a week and make millions of dollars.

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#320912 20-Apr-2010 20:50

I am able to access some of the other sites hosted at that ip, not all of them though.

186.
charlesbendit.com
[Whois]

187.
clear-name.com
[Whois]

188.
6stephenfiverson.com
[Whois]

all work fine

Tracert also dident work from here

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#320914 20-Apr-2010 20:51

I can access www.secretaccess.org not the 911lies

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#320915 20-Apr-2010 20:52

johnr: I can access www.secretaccess.org not the 911lies

ROFLMAO

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#320941 20-Apr-2010 21:12

Even using an overseas dns servers, effectively a dns proxy, results in it not being accepted via ping or tracert.
Very, very suspicous...

Update: Just managed to do a tracert right now, weird actually, through OpenDNS:
Unable to resolve target system name 911lies.org.

C:\Users\Cody Cooper>tracert 911lies.org

Tracing route to 911lies.org [67.215.66.132]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1     3 ms     2 ms     2 ms 192.168.0.1
2    47 ms    44 ms    44 ms 210-55-64-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz [210.55.64.32]

3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
4    54 ms    54 ms    54 ms ae4-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.244.2
21]
5    60 ms    54 ms    55 ms 122.56.127.90
6    54 ms    54 ms    54 ms xe0-0-0-2.akbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.23
2.77]
7    60 ms    55 ms    55 ms ae1-10.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.3
7]
8   180 ms   180 ms   180 ms so6-0-3.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.
34]
9   180 ms   180 ms   180 ms so-1-0-0.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232
.237]
10   358 ms   204 ms   207 ms ge-1-7.r00.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [204.1.253
.49]
11   193 ms   180 ms   180 ms ae-4.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.3
7]
12   190 ms   190 ms   190 ms as-0.r21.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.9
6]
13   195 ms   206 ms   190 ms ae-0.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.9
6]
14   222 ms   207 ms   207 ms as-2.r20.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.1
40]
15   208 ms   208 ms   207 ms po-2.r00.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.2
05]
16   209 ms   209 ms   209 ms ge-0.opendns.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250
.12.78]
17   208 ms   208 ms   210 ms hit-servfail.opendns.com [67.215.66.132]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Cody Cooper>

That netgate.net.nz is kind of worrying me, it never used to be there, I suspect that the interceptor...

DUAL-Update: Just found out that netgate.net.nz is actually Global Gateway, a wholesale internet service.

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#320951 20-Apr-2010 21:18

Here's what I get off of a Telecom Big Time connection in (obviously) New Zealand:

C:\Users\Cody Cooper>tracert 911lies.org

Tracing route to 911lies.org [67.215.66.132]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms 192.168.0.1
2    44 ms    43 ms    43 ms 210-55-64-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz [210.55.64.32]

3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
4 192.168.0.1 reports: Destination net unreachable.

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Cody Cooper>

So it's getting killed either by netgate or the server immediately after it??

codyc1515

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#320955 20-Apr-2010 21:21

Hmm, we can get on it now.
Must have just been a temporary issue.

SCM

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#320986 20-Apr-2010 21:42

yep, normal access from here now too

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#321042 20-Apr-2010 22:42

Erm - Ping / Traceroute can be blocked if there is a firewall dropping ICMP packets before the server. (The server can be dropping it too). Note this has nothing to do with whether there is an access HTTP server.

Possibly if the server is under a ping flood attack, then it might be able to return HTTP queries.

Also - the DNS server setups look a little odd for at least one of those names.

*shrugs* Occasionally sites fall off the internets - there's a myriad of reasons for them too.

Not having accessed the sites, I've no idea if this is just link dropping ...

Milutiche

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#321084 21-Apr-2010 06:47

creiky, I think I may have opened a can of worms, now to figure out how to do this "tracert" thing . . .

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