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Topic # 67416 1-Sep-2010 12:55
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Singapore has a NetCo and OpCo structure with SingTel specifically limited on access level ownership.

NetCo (OpenNet) has c40% dark fibre coverage already.  And Retail Service Providers have been signed up to OpCo (Nucleus Connect).

Singtel has announced its consumer offerings for fibre:

The minimum package for S85/mth (USD63 or NZD90) offers unlimited digital phone services, 10Gb online storage.  Its speed 150Mbps down/75Mpbs up.

The only catch...... International traffic is limited to 15Mpbs.

Of course you can elect to pay slightly more S$110/mth (NZD 115) for a blistering 25Mbps on international traffic.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the monopoly on international bandwidth in Singapore must be crushed. 

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  Reply # 375287 1-Sep-2010 13:20
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Hell, I wish we could get unlimited 15Mbit/s international here :P

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  Reply # 375301 1-Sep-2010 13:51
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Don't forget the installation cost if you live in a house like most in NZ is likely to be around $6k! (based on a quote I saw for installing cable TV to a house there).

It's far more economical to put fibre to large apartment complexes than to standalone houses like in NZ.



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  Reply # 375302 1-Sep-2010 14:00
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graemeh: Don't forget the installation cost if you live in a house like most in NZ is likely to be around $6k! (based on a quote I saw for installing cable TV to a house there).

It's far more economical to put fibre to large apartment complexes than to standalone houses like in NZ.



If you had missed your free prior appointment with OpenNet, an installation charge of $235.40 (with 7% GST) for High Rise or $481.50 (with 7% GST) for landed property is applicable. The above amount is charged on behalf of OpenNet

If you had already made an appointment by OpenNet to lay the fibre and install the 1st TP (Fibre Termination Point) to your home, a SingTel installation appointment would only be required to set up your exStream services

An installation charge of $80.25 (with 7% GST) by SingTel is applicable for installation of equipments, activation and demo of services. A registration charge of $53.50 (with 7% GST) is applicable for exPress 150 service plan

 

Thats to the 1st termination point.  Anything inside the home..... the owners problem.

 

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  Reply # 375304 1-Sep-2010 14:08
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ockel:
graemeh: Don't forget the installation cost if you live in a house like most in NZ is likely to be around $6k! (based on a quote I saw for installing cable TV to a house there).

It's far more economical to put fibre to large apartment complexes than to standalone houses like in NZ.



If you had missed your free prior appointment with OpenNet, an installation charge of $235.40 (with 7% GST) for High Rise or $481.50 (with 7% GST) for landed property is applicable. The above amount is charged on behalf of OpenNet

If you had already made an appointment by OpenNet to lay the fibre and install the 1st TP (Fibre Termination Point) to your home, a SingTel installation appointment would only be required to set up your exStream services

An installation charge of $80.25 (with 7% GST) by SingTel is applicable for installation of equipments, activation and demo of services. A registration charge of $53.50 (with 7% GST) is applicable for exPress 150 service plan

 

Thats to the 1st termination point.  Anything inside the home..... the owners problem.

 


Wow, that's heavily subsidised.  They must really want people to take it up now.  I might just have to move to Singapore soon Money mouth

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  Reply # 375375 1-Sep-2010 17:12
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well, instead you mighty just move to Tasmania, cause iiNet is offering 100Mbps for just A$99/Month

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  Reply # 375397 1-Sep-2010 17:54
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Yes, it is extremely heavily subsidized by the Singapore IDA and Government (about S$800m). The very interesting thing is the way SingTel have offered international bandwidth guarantees, and are obviously attempting to differentiate from StarHub's existing 100Mbps services by offering the 150Mbps PIR.

I currently pay S$120 for StarHub 100/10 with no international commitment and no caps. The 15Mbps guarantee would be interesting to me.

There's no international bandwidth monopoly in Singapore, there are a huge number of cables and operators present here. It's just really far away from the USA, much like NZ is!



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  Reply # 375544 2-Sep-2010 03:59
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PenultimateHop:

There's no international bandwidth monopoly in Singapore, there are a huge number of cables and operators present here. It's just really far away from the USA, much like NZ is!


WHAT?  You mean if we build another cable from NZ to the US we wont get massively cheaper bandwidth?  Tell me that simple things like distance and economics arent going to jeopardise our dreams......  ;-)

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  Reply # 376041 2-Sep-2010 23:41
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15Mbit/s international with no data limit is way more useful than 25 or 50 Mbit that's pay per GB to most people.

$90 NZD for phone service + internet at 150Mb/75Mb national and 15Mbit/15Mbit international is a really attractive plan.

I hope NZ is able to come up with similar plans. I fear ours will be much more expensive and limited.

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  Reply # 376045 2-Sep-2010 23:47
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ockel:
PenultimateHop:

There's no international bandwidth monopoly in Singapore, there are a huge number of cables and operators present here. It's just really far away from the USA, much like NZ is!


WHAT?  You mean if we build another cable from NZ to the US we wont get massively cheaper bandwidth?  Tell me that simple things like distance and economics arent going to jeopardise our dreams......  ;-)


In NZ port/connection, domestic backhaul and handover costs are very expensive relative to international transit right now even.

I fear if we bring across bloated management and cost structures ie: Chorus to run our NBN nothing will change.


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  Reply # 376052 3-Sep-2010 00:01
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Ragnor: 15Mbit/s international with no data limit is way more useful than 25 or 50 Mbit that's pay per GB to most people.

$90 NZD for phone service + internet at 150Mb/75Mb national and 15Mbit/15Mbit international is a really attractive plan.

I hope NZ is able to come up with similar plans. I fear ours will be much more expensive and limited.


Well, if you make everyone in NZ move to Auckland and forget about servicing the rest of the country, you might get similar plans :)

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  Reply # 376053 3-Sep-2010 00:05
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Ragnor:
ockel:
PenultimateHop:

There's no international bandwidth monopoly in Singapore, there are a huge number of cables and operators present here. It's just really far away from the USA, much like NZ is!


WHAT?  You mean if we build another cable from NZ to the US we wont get massively cheaper bandwidth?  Tell me that simple things like distance and economics arent going to jeopardise our dreams......  ;-)


In NZ port/connection, domestic backhaul and handover costs are very expensive relative to international transit right now even.

I fear if we bring across bloated management and cost structures ie: Chorus to run our NBN nothing will change.



Can't agree with your view of Chorus as bloated knowing a few people working over there, but I do agree regulated port costs etc. are priced in a silly way in NZ, lets hope ComCom's UBA review underway throws out their silly formula and starts looking at the true cost to Telecom per port rather than some bastardisation based on how much data customers use.

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  Reply # 377673 7-Sep-2010 21:02

I just wish my ISP could do better than 14kb/s during peak time. That would be a really good start.

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  Reply # 377687 7-Sep-2010 21:50
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Singapore is in a position unlike NZ, rolling out fibre to a population the size of NZ that is condensed into a land area the size of Lake Taupo!!  Infrastructure is always going to be far superior with population condensing like this!!

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