IPv4: the well is dry. APNIC triggers last allocations

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#76361 1-Feb-2011 15:24

http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2011/delegation

>APNIC received the following IPv4 address blocks from IANA in February
>2011 [...]
>

>Please be aware, this will be the final allocation made by IANA under
>the current framework and will trigger the final distribution of five
>/8 blocks, one to each RIR under the agreed "Global policy for the
>allocation of the remaining IPv4 address space".

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#433736 1-Feb-2011 15:51

@mikenzb

The Hurricane Electric widget seems to be a 1 day more conservative than the http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html on which it (the Hurricane Electric widget) is based.

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#433742 1-Feb-2011 16:01

The 5 remaining /24s are reserved, and the "1 day remaining" counter on HE's doesn't seem to take this into account.

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#433763 1-Feb-2011 16:27

Personally, I think the last paragraph of the APNIC Announcement e-mail is the most important...

APNIC reiterates that IPv6 is the only means available for the sustained ongoing growth of the Internet, and urges all members of the Internet industry to move quickly towards its deployment.

Question is, what are the ISPs going to do?

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#433774 1-Feb-2011 16:34

nigelj: Question is, what are the ISPs going to do?

I think you'll have a hard time finding an ISP that isn't ready. The real question is what everyone else is going to do. Consumer router and firewall manufacturers, CRM/Accounting tools, web content developers, sales and marketing goons...

IPv6 is easy. Actually getting people to use it is hard!

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#433778 1-Feb-2011 16:38

Chippo: IPv6 is easy. Actually getting people to use it is hard!

Force .porn to use IPv6 only?

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#433782 1-Feb-2011 16:47

freitasm:
Chippo: IPv6 is easy. Actually getting people to use it is hard!

Force .porn to use IPv6 only?

LTE is probably easier.

Verizon have said that their LTE handsets will be IPv6 only. There is a good reason for that. As I understand it, LTE handsets acquire an IP address when they are switched on and keep it for as long as they are switched on. That basically means that there is no hope of there being enough IPv4 addresses to support LTE, and NAT games can't help.

That means that if you want to communicate with an LTE device, using VoIP, or playing a game (since most of these LTE handsets are not just phones), you yourself will need an IPv6 address.

BTW, if you haven't already, check out http://www.ipv6.org.nz/

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#433789 1-Feb-2011 16:59

Chippo:
nigelj: Question is, what are the ISPs going to do?

I think you'll have a hard time finding an ISP that isn't ready. The real question is what everyone else is going to do. Consumer router and firewall manufacturers, CRM/Accounting tools, web content developers, sales and marketing goons...

IPv6 is easy. Actually getting people to use it is hard!

Unless I've missed a flood of "we're ready to deploy IPv6 to our users" announcements over the holiday period (quite likely I admit

), then the last "news" on NZ ISP readiness was this ...which doesn't sound like "good to go" to me. And it's not just NZ ISPs but there appears to be a global malaise of foot-dragging.

IPv6 might be easy but just how are end-users (individuals or organizations) supposed to do the "hard" part when the all-important intermediary of the ISP isn't switched on?

I'd be happy to be shown I'm not as up to date on this as I should be...

IG

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#433795 1-Feb-2011 17:05

soleil24:
Chippo:
nigelj: Question is, what are the ISPs going to do?

I think you'll have a hard time finding an ISP that isn't ready. The real question is what everyone else is going to do. Consumer router and firewall manufacturers, CRM/Accounting tools, web content developers, sales and marketing goons...

IPv6 is easy. Actually getting people to use it is hard!

Unless I've missed a flood of "we're ready to deploy IPv6 to our users" announcements over the holiday period (quite likely I admit ), then the last "news" on NZ ISP readiness was this ...which doesn't sound like "good to go" to me. And it's not just NZ ISPs but there appears to be a global malaise of foot-dragging.

IPv6 might be easy but just how are end-users (individuals or organizations) supposed to do the "hard" part when the all-important intermediary of the ISP isn't switched on?

I'd be happy to be shown I'm not as up to date on this as I should be...

IG

Don't worry, thats my understanding to. As it stands, the latest I've heard is that Inspire & WxC are still the only reasonably well known ISPs that are doing IPv6 trial deployments for customers.

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#434143 2-Feb-2011 10:31

the day finally comes..i remember a few years ago doing an essay about ipv6...
no one want to invest in the transitional equipments?

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#434149 2-Feb-2011 10:52

Although hopefully this will promote some "re-allocation" by some of the existing A and B class holders,

I mean a fair few outfits in NZ have B class addresses that they will not be fully using, and internationally the UK Govt have 2 class A's ( defence and work and pensions)- so if we are lucky some of these addresses can be "prised from sysops cold dead hands"

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#434155 2-Feb-2011 11:04

@wellygary

But what good would that do? It's certainly been considered, but even the most optimistic estimates of the amount of space that could be reclaimed indicate that the effect would be negligible in the amount of extra time it would buy.

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#434178 2-Feb-2011 11:39

APNIC alone burn's thru 2-3 /8's every 3 months, Handing back A's and B's is like putting a bandaid on arterial wound.

As for ISP's being ready? It's been pretty quite so if ISP's are getting ready or doing trials nobody is saying anything. A couple of National ISP's have trials running at the moment but the leap from trial to production is a big leap and alot of backend tools/systems will need to be reworked to handle v6

Asia/Au/NZ is going to be hit first. At APNIC's current rate of allocations (not accounting for a final rush on IP's) APNIC will be out in 3-6 months top's. After this ISP's will need to push v6 hard and use some form of NAT on the v4 space. I do fear we will see ISP's who aren't ready doing NAT on ipv4 on their clients with no ipv6 offering and alot of things breaking.

It's certainly going to be an interesting year

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#434253 2-Feb-2011 13:12

I think having some A-class IPv4 blocks back in the market will put a price on being unready for IPv6. As IPv4 prices climb there will be cheaper solutions to transition networks and CPE will hopefully be compatible by then. Most ISPs should already have enough v4 addresses for their current business as well as having their core network ready for IPv6.

I can see a problem in that new ISPs and those who want to launch a brand new service will only be able to do it on IPv6, despite many of their customers not being ready for it. This might be a bit of a dampener on innovation for a few years while CPE and peoples understanding catch up.

Time to find a new industry!

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#434255 2-Feb-2011 13:15

Ummm unless something's changed I don't believe APNIC allows you to "sell" v4 space. I shudder to think what would happen to the global route table size if a free market is allowed to occur with v4 space

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