Internet Security & Privacy can you ISP spy on you!!!

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# 80567 1-Apr-2011 13:26

Hi there i just installed Privoxy in my PC to stop those annoying things poping on the screen and taking bandwith adds and so on. But talking to a mate he reckons ISP spy on every click you do on the internet wtf if this is true would it not be breaking the law of privacy and basic human right of MYOB?

any way im considering maybe installing Tor or im i too paranoied!!!

Anyone have any ideas as im feeling i have to keep computer off while im not using it.

take care,

Andy

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# 454195 1-Apr-2011 13:30

Pretty sure ISP's have better things to do :)

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# 454197 1-Apr-2011 13:34

Paranoia... Using TOR will make things slower, and ISPs are not there to watch you.

GamerOC

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# 454198 1-Apr-2011 13:36

Yes im sure they got important stuff to do but you know there are software that can collect info in auto mode and traffic use and what traffic too so is it not that collecting personal info. like what sites you visit what you click on also how long you use the site for and maybe even keystroks. Im going mad...

oh cool i found just now this program called cyber gost vnp will give it a try as Jap slows my sistem down that is why i was considering Tor

thanks mate i hope you are right,

Andy

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# 454199 1-Apr-2011 13:38

VPNs will slow you down forever...

GamerOC

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# 454200 1-Apr-2011 13:41

You are probably right about the slowing things down specially in the NZ speedy internet service, it is already broadband laggy without the Tor. so you reckon they dont spy on us....

my friend freak me out when he told me they collect personal and trafic data from people, maybe he has gone mad,

Thanks for replies i just wanted peace of mine

Andy

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# 454207 1-Apr-2011 14:06

More chance that the tor exit node will be spying on you, and technically they could also be injecting their own content into the pages while they are on the way thru, but I have not heard of any doing that _yet_

https will keep you safe from the ISP, unless your ISP happens to have a trusted CA - there are quite a few telcos in the list in firefox along with trustable govt organizations like hong kong post so you really should keep an eye on the cert, also the recent case of some incompetent CA releasting certs to third parties for things like skype and others - http://www.computersecurityarticles.info/security/rogue-ssl-certificates-issued-by-comodo/

Really the only way to be sure you are not being snooped on is to run your own VPN to the remote network with keys that you yourself have made so you know that they cant be swapped out next time some idiot trusted CA decides to give some to any random.

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# 454209 1-Apr-2011 14:21

We have better things to do.

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# 454266 1-Apr-2011 16:29

they will auto filter you out from child porn sites, internet filter(applies to those isp who opted in)-why DIA website was attacked.

but i don't think they can analysis every clicks people clicked on UNTIL this internet filter act been given more power (92a)...

but technically i think they can.

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# 454271 1-Apr-2011 16:39

Surely it is all logged on the transparent proxys what people are requesting tho?

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# 454274 1-Apr-2011 16:42

I use witopia vpn which encrypts all my traffic. Snoop all you want, you wont see a thing. Just because your paranoid, doesnt mean they arent watching you...but they probably arent

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klasic

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# 454324 1-Apr-2011 19:18

WHY would they bother watching you? What are you doing on the internet that's got everyone wanting to take a peek?

scottr

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# 454346 1-Apr-2011 20:18

100% Paranoia. As people say, better things to do.. It's not like a phone where every call is logged.

If you're browsing stuff you think needs to be hidden, change what you're browsing.

EDIT: Also, if logging is necessary, logging can be done.

klasic

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# 454362 1-Apr-2011 21:02

scottr: 100% Paranoia. As people say, better things to do.. It's not like a phone where every call is logged.

If you're browsing stuff you think needs to be hidden, change what you're browsing.

EDIT: Also, if logging is necessary, logging can be done.

Exactly :P Its the equivalent of thinking every phone call is being recorded, and listened to by some creepy 'man in the middle' with sweating hands scoffing a bucket of chicken wings :)

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# 454382 1-Apr-2011 21:54

That said though what IP you have and when is logged. What you do may not be logged by the ISP, but if your IP is in places it shouldn't be you could still end up in a bit of trouble.

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# 454491 2-Apr-2011 11:49

I know Paranoia is the main driving part of my argument but i just firmly believe in freedom of speech and privacy. I understand if they have filters for staff like money scams child porn or so on. but would they also spy you for commercial purposes to sell info to other party? or if you blow the wisle would they know who? or when you uploading your personal files to the cloud would they know what you uploading?

im just thinking outloud but i did not used to be so paranoied until my friend talked to me into installing Tor and Privoxy for spying eyes of both commercial or other agents.
thanks for the replies i think I will try to go as normal and use internet as it is for the time being,

thanks,

Andy

ps But i do reckon they probably dont spy on you but if they do of course the ISP probably will deny it as is against individual right of privacy.

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