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Topic # 83438 17-May-2011 01:52
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What do you think?  Each day the internet grows and more services go online, things like TVNZ on demand, Xbox live, PlayStation Network, Tivo, iSky, YouTube.  And what about all your devices that need firmware updates?  All this will need eat into your lovely data allowance, so tell me are today's traffic costs that ISP's offer you affordable and worth it?  Do remeber that all those do take a good amount, such as viewing TVNZ videos and blowing your cap with in the first week?

Would love some input of this, and to see if New Zealand is no longer a cheap place to stay?

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  Reply # 470087 17-May-2011 13:14
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IMO Internet here is so expensive for the small amounts of data we get, everything needs more data, updates for OS's etc are getting rather large, video streaming from youtube etc uses quite a bit, especially in HD, you would think that the isp's would keep up with the times but obviously not...

Also we end up getting penalized for purchasing media Legally (iTunes, Steam, XBOX Live) by using our cap purchasing things, its not right...




 

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  Reply # 470090 17-May-2011 13:18
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ISP's do as much as they can with what they have, TVNZOnDemand and Isky are zero-rated at a number of ISP's because the cost to do so is minimal, International transit is still too costly to raise data caps too much and there isn't much we can do about it, 13,000km submarine cable's cost a bit




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  Reply # 470101 17-May-2011 13:56
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Beccara: ISP's do as much as they can with what they have, TVNZOnDemand and Isky are zero-rated at a number of ISP's because the cost to do so is minimal, International transit is still too costly to raise data caps too much and there isn't much we can do about it, 13,000km submarine cable's cost a bit

Then why can't NZ traffic be maintained better?  It is after all our contry and our network?  Or at at least not count at curtain times of the day.

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  Reply # 470111 17-May-2011 14:15
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How do you split NAT and INT in a way that clients can understand, A huge problem back in the NAT/INT days were clients complaining about their cap being blown on .nz sites. Most end users aren't that smart and think anything that ends in .nz including youtube.co.nz is in NZ




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  Reply # 470116 17-May-2011 14:28
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Beccara: How do you split NAT and INT in a way that clients can understand, A huge problem back in the NAT/INT days were clients complaining about their cap being blown on .nz sites. Most end users aren't that smart and think anything that ends in .nz including youtube.co.nz is in NZ


And the next problem that even if an ISP offers a zero rated service (such as iTunes, TVNZ On Demand) a customer choosing to use a 3rd party DNS server such as OpenDNS will break the CDN's resulting in them being charged for this traffic and it also being delivered from the other side of the world rather than locally.

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  Reply # 470120 17-May-2011 14:36
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Thats an easy fix Steve, force redirect all DNS traffic to the ISP's DNS servers at the edge and make it opt-out where they agree that there will be no zero-rating of content if they use other DNS servers




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  Reply # 470121 17-May-2011 14:41
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Well, I didn't say it was easy, but can be done, so why is it not being done? We could benefit from this in the long run.

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  Reply # 470123 17-May-2011 14:46
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You have a magical way of educating users all at once that .nz != IN NZ? Nat/Int splitting is dead at the consumer level.

The way forward is what we are already seeing, SITE's being zero-rated, I doubt we'll ever see a Nat/Int split deal again but we will see sites being zerorated as the CDN's move in




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  Reply # 470174 17-May-2011 17:06
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New Zealand has never been a cheap place to live in. It's not just ICT we are talking about.

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  Reply # 470187 17-May-2011 17:49
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Im not sure about TVNZ on demand, but I know Sky got Kordia to put in CDNs in several NZ main centres to reduce the load on national backhaul. This made the cost to ISPs of delivering Isky lower than delivering content just hosted in Auckland for example, and thus made it viable for so many ISPs to offer Isky zero-rated.

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  Reply # 470200 17-May-2011 18:27
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Beccara: You have a magical way of educating users all at once that .nz != IN NZ? Nat/Int splitting is dead at the consumer level.

The way forward is what we are already seeing, SITE's being zero-rated, I doubt we'll ever see a Nat/Int split deal again but we will see sites being zerorated as the CDN's move in


Nat/Int split is still very prevalent in business connections.

I understand the confusion from a consumer point of view. Maybe be open to them e.g. up to XX mbps national and up to XX mbps international? I can see with people getting confused with people who host .nz domains overseas.

This actually has got me thinking, maybe we could develop a simple website (and associated widget or browser plugin) which shows the relative size of national/international content of a web page. While average joe internet user wouldn't benefit from this somewhat computer savvy people may be able to get their heads around it.

The other option of course is to massively oversubscribe your international ie AYCE but with decent national and a whole lot of CDN/caching





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