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Topic # 87164 21-Jul-2011 18:58
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Will there be any removal of the damn PPPoA that we are stuck with in NZ? As there is now no ATM at the ISP end, why the need for it at the customer end?




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  Reply # 496377 21-Jul-2011 19:28
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There is still plenty of ATM links used as hand off's to ISP's




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  Reply # 496380 21-Jul-2011 19:31
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NZFINEST: There is still plenty of ATM links used as hand off's to ISP's


Ok, well howabout those of us on ISPs that have moved on from that bad idea get to use a more flexible configuration without having to shell out for one of a handful of routers that do PPPoE to PPPoA?




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  Reply # 496382 21-Jul-2011 19:34
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are u talking about EUBA type of connections, which has a ethernet hand over from telecom to the connectiong ISP.




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  Reply # 496385 21-Jul-2011 19:42
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NZFINEST: are u talking about EUBA type of connections, which has a ethernet hand over from telecom to the connectiong ISP.


Yes, isnt that what all the large ISPs are doing now?




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  Reply # 496932 22-Jul-2011 20:51
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http://www.telecomwholesale.co.nz/tw/wcm/connect/354c7c804460b8008e71ffd37d9c4fd6/25751_EUBA_3-0LC+product+profile.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=354c7c804460b8008e71ffd37d9c4fd6

this might explain it to you a bit better then i can. but id say there is still more customers over ATM then the newer EUBA style connections.
You can also use the same hand over link for HSNS & EUBA if you want, HSNS being a true ethernet product being presented at the customers end




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  Reply # 496938 22-Jul-2011 21:03
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Ok, well will those of us not still on ATM ever get to see the end of ATM as part of the customer side connection?




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  Reply # 496940 22-Jul-2011 21:04
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no not unless you get something that is a true ethernet option such as HSNS




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  Reply # 496992 23-Jul-2011 00:51
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As far as i heard, some areas on older exchange equipment that haven't been upgraded can't use EUBA or telecom won't provide it? Not sure on that though, i just remember seeing a comment where customers in certain areas couldnt get it.

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  Reply # 496999 23-Jul-2011 05:17
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What's the problem? PPPoA is more efficient than PPPoEoA, which is what you end up with since ADSL(2) is inherently ATM based.

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  Reply # 497008 23-Jul-2011 08:16
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as long as the exchange can do ADSL the you can have euba. not all exchange are capable of handing the traffic back to ISP's tho. think there are 29 around the country that can. do if you are off a exchange that can't the traffic is back hauled to 1 that can. most ISP's have the hand over in 3 places. AK - WN - CH. there is a fee added i think for traffic that is backhauled




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  Reply # 497057 23-Jul-2011 11:50
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PenultimateHop: What's the problem? PPPoA is more efficient than PPPoEoA, which is what you end up with since ADSL(2) is inherently ATM based.


With PPPoA then the PPP has to be done on the device with the ADSL modem in it, with the craphouse NAT limitations, poor fowarding support and nil IPv6 support on most kit.

If the PPP can be done over ethernet then it becomes like the rest of the world where you can use any cheap modem and move the PPP to something with the memory and upgradability to do what you want.




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  Reply # 497244 23-Jul-2011 23:59
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My unbundeled connection is on PPPoE, but it certainly wouldn't work on UBA.




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  Reply # 497251 24-Jul-2011 00:58
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richms: Ok, well will those of us not still on ATM ever get to see the end of ATM as part of the customer side connection?


Most EUBA0 connections will still rely on PPPoA as most people do not have modems which support PPPoE.

Having said that in all the trials we've done there is no marked difference between the two so it's a little bit of a non issue. If your ISP offers EUBA over PPPoE and you've got a modem suited to the job then by all means ask for it, and if they won't and it matters so much to you then find an ISP which will.



 

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  Reply # 497383 24-Jul-2011 18:25
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insane:
richms: Ok, well will those of us not still on ATM ever get to see the end of ATM as part of the customer side connection?


Most EUBA0 connections will still rely on PPPoA as most people do not have modems which support PPPoE.

 
 


I have not come across a modem that does not support PPPoE, so I think most people will have modems that support this no problem. Catch being they will all be set to PPPoA, so you can't just switch on PPPoE only, as everybodies conection would stop working.
You either need to do this on request (as you suggest), or have legacy PPPoA support at the DSLAM (which Vodafone Red network does).
  




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  Reply # 497385 24-Jul-2011 18:31
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coffeebaron:
insane:
richms: Ok, well will those of us not still on ATM ever get to see the end of ATM as part of the customer side connection?


Most EUBA0 connections will still rely on PPPoA as most people do not have modems which support PPPoE.

 
 


I have not come across a modem that does not support PPPoE, so I think most people will have modems that support this no problem. Catch being they will all be set to PPPoA, so you can't just switch on PPPoE only, as everybodies conection would stop working.
You either need to do this on request (as you suggest), or have legacy PPPoA support at the DSLAM (which Vodafone Red network does).
  


The only modem I've come across is the Telecom Thomson's. These are locked to PPPoA


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