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Topic # 8721 25-Jul-2006 12:56
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HELP RFC Community Node Network...

To quote juha...

"If you really want to have better broadband soon, get together with the neighbours and form some sort of co-op. Build a Wifi network and buy wholesale bandwidth from someone. Once you ditch your landlines, it's bound to be cheaper than what Telecom offers. Telecom will also slash its charges to get your business back, plus upgrade the network."

And then to quote our leader, freitasm...

[sarcasm] And of course, if they don't deploy soon enough, I am pretty sure other companies have lots of interest in investing in New Zealand's future, right? Oh, no plans for their own fixed line broadband networks? I am sorry then. [/sarcasm].

See my point? Every other ICT provider complains about Telecom, but no one provides good answers or a comparable service.


The later comment really gets my goat because he's right.

So...

I've been bouncing some figures, ideas and plans around and I'm sort of at the stage where I'd like some feed back.

See: http://www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz/content/view/38/31/

Cheers Don





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Reply # 42391 25-Jul-2006 13:06
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I was genuinely interested in what you had to say about building a community network and in your 'figures/idea/plan'. I would have even been willing to contribute some constructive feedback that is until I got to the work sheets that compare your costs with TG's renumeration.

Edit: remove personal insult




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  Reply # 42397 25-Jul-2006 14:10
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Jama: I was genuinely interested in what you had to say about building a community network and in your 'figures/idea/plan'. I would have even been willing to contribute some constructive feedback that is until I got to the work sheets that compare your costs with TG's renumeration.

Now I really am convinced that you are an idiot and a moron!


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Reply # 42401 25-Jul-2006 14:40
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I wonder how many times its going to have to be said around here that insults and personal attacks are not acceptable.

If you don't agree with what somebody has posted the attack the idea. But it is not neccesary to attack the person. Leave it at the door next time. Final warning.

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  Reply # 42404 25-Jul-2006 15:02

good luck with this Don! I would love to see this happen.
If you would like any consultancy re technical matters feel free to email me (link on my website)
I have found a supplier cheap of ADSL2+ and HDSL ethernet-backhaul DSLAMs I could put you in contact with (even cheaper than Alcatel, which telecom use)




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  Reply # 42407 25-Jul-2006 15:17
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Don I too was genuinely interested, going through the document and all the effort you put in, however you have just completely discredited your idea and efforts with that comparison.  What has TG remuneration got to do with a serious discussion of this nature? 





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  Reply # 42410 25-Jul-2006 15:34
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JaBZ: What has TG remuneration got to do with a serious discussion of this nature?


On the technical side of things it has nothing to do with it.

The community are writting about the issue in their local neighbourhood news letter.

I think they want to know why Telecom hasn't delivered them service.

Personally I don't know why Telecom hasn't provided them with service.

However in the big picture I can see why I might not bother if I was telecom (which I'm not).

This community needs to get some things in to perspective, as do many around New Zealand.

Telecom is a big business, it's in the business of delivering a return to its investors.

Delivering service to customers in Rocking Horse Road isn't really profitable is it?

I wanted people in the suburb to give consideration to the facts that their total expenditure with Telecom this year doesn't even rate a blip on the radar.  Less than $200 thousand v's $5.6 billion. 

For heavens sakes, their CEO earnt enough in one week last year to pay for the entire network.

My fear is that when I present this information to this community that they will sit on the old 'Loyalty to NEW ZEALAND'S Telecom" fence.

Hells bells, Telstra Clear spent $100 million in this city and still have less than 45% (As I understand it) of market share in the areas that they deliver network to.  They deliver network cheaper than Telecom.

Woosh (while it doesn't work properly in some cases) deliver services for even less than Telstra and still people stay Loyal to NEW ZEALAND'S Telecom.


Last time I checked.... New Zealanders don't even own Telecom yet we flock to them expecting them to deliver us service.

I don't know what you make each year.  Check out www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz .  It's a small printing/graphic design firm that my wife and I have started.  It's hard work, we have next to no money to start it but we're getting there... 

Last month Think Design Print identified an inability to do business with a new customer living in the area due to very slow dialup access.

"We only check our email once very 4 or 5 days" said Matt Bailey, a Southshore resident who is currently doing business planning for a new adventure tourisum and  leasure business he, his wife and family intend to open later this year to service a growing local demand for fun activities in the Canterbury region.

Think Design Print have been engaged to prepare image and marketing concept material for the new venture.  An activity that is made more time consuming and expensive if work can't be quickly transmissted between their graphic department and client.

We would normally deliver up to ten different concepts and revisions before a client settels on final copy.  It becomes very expensive for the client if we have to print out every revision and courier it to the client for comment.



I guess I'm frustrated about the whole issue.  Frankly I don't really know how to get the whole job done.   Yes I'm clutching at straws a bit and yes I'm looking around for help because something has to be done.

Cheers Don




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  Reply # 42413 25-Jul-2006 15:49
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Ok Don now that you have explained your frustration I take back my previous personal insult. I still however don't see what TG's renumeration has to do with it. If Telecom were based in the US she would probably earn more. Don't forget also that a chunk of her renumeration is linked to share options so recently with the share price in free fall she has actually had a pay cut.

Telecom employ over 5000 NZ'ers does that not make them an NZ company? NZ'ers are also very loyal to Vodafone so does the same argument apply there as well?

I actually think that we are an apathetic lot. We moan and groan but do not change providers when the opportunity presents itself. The domestic airline industry is a classic example.






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  Reply # 42417 25-Jul-2006 16:11

Jama: we dont care about Telecom. start your own thread propping up Telecom if you want to do that.

Don: the only problem I can forsee with your plan is the choice to use 802.11g delivering a CIR over 802.11g or even 2.4GHz could be unreliable and doesn't leave much room for expansion. can anyone confirm when unbundling is _really_ going to happen? we are at the tipping point already and Telecom are too big and slow to give us what we want.




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  Reply # 42419 25-Jul-2006 16:32
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DonGould:

My fear is that when I present this information to this community that they will sit on the old 'Loyalty to NEW ZEALAND'S Telecom" fence.

Hells bells, Telstra Clear spent $100 million in this city and still have less than 45% (As I understand it) of market share in the areas that they deliver network to.  They deliver network cheaper than Telecom.

Woosh (while it doesn't work properly in some cases) deliver services for even less than Telstra and still people stay Loyal to NEW ZEALAND'S Telecom.


You can’t be serious, that you would like Telstra, as an Australian company to be in a dominate position in the New Zealand Telco industry? Competition is all good, but there is no way Telstra has the national interest at heart.  

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Reply # 42420 25-Jul-2006 16:41
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barf: Jama: we dont care about Telecom. start your own thread propping up Telecom if you want to do that.


Actually barf 'Don' did sort of ask for Jama's comments. To be honest I see this as set another example of tall poppy syndrome, where New Zealanders have this obsession of trying to discredit larger companies. New Zealand needs more large companies, and if we look at Telecom, while it may be New Zealand’s largest publicly listed company, on the world stage it's not that big. TG's salary can also be compared to Telecoms world standing, while it may be a large sum for the New Zealand market, internationally, I'm sure she's not over paid.  

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Reply # 42421 25-Jul-2006 16:43
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Back on topic folks.

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Reply # 42422 25-Jul-2006 16:45
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Last month Think Design Print identified an inability to do business with a new customer living in the area due to very slow dialup access.


"We only check our email once very 4 or 5 days" said Matt Bailey, a Southshore resident who is currently doing business planning for a new adventure tourisum and  leasure business he, his wife and family intend to open later this year to service a growing local demand for fun activities in the Canterbury region.

Just to be pendantic about the whole thing, you client should be checking their e-mail more often. Checking for e-mail every 4 or 5 days only means that there is potentially more e-mail to download and ergo longer time spent on-line on a slow link.(?)



My fear is that when I present this information to this community that they will sit on the old 'Loyalty to NEW ZEALAND'S Telecom" fence.

Don, get rid of the defeatist attitude! Instead put your efforts in make sure that your solution will work. Remember, if you build it they will come to you if the services are better than the other party.

Hells bells, Telstra Clear spent $100 million in this city and still have less than 45% (As I understand it) of market share in the areas that they deliver network to.  They deliver network cheaper than Telecom.

Yes, and one will assume that they only deliver those services to places where they know they will make a profit or payback.

Woosh (while it doesn't work properly in some cases) deliver services for even less than Telstra and still people stay Loyal to NEW ZEALAND'S Telecom.

That's cause some people will put up with higher prices if the services are available. No good having a cheaper service if it doesnt work!


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  Reply # 42423 25-Jul-2006 16:53

nzbnw: To be honest I see this as set another example of tall poppy syndrome, where New Zealanders have this obsession of trying to discredit larger companies. New Zealand needs more large companies


don't confuse my altruism with your prejudice or stereotyping. Telecom is profit driven which doesn't help the people at the bottom of the pecking order.




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  Reply # 42426 25-Jul-2006 17:07
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 Telecom is profit driven which doesn't help the people at the bottom of the pecking order.


Like 99% of businesses around the world, and at home in New Zealand. Make no mistake, from other threads I am aware of your situation, and I do feel for your cause.

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Reply # 42430 25-Jul-2006 17:34
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barf: Telecom is profit driven which doesn't help the people at the bottom of the pecking order.


And how is this different from any other telco in the world, or any other organisation, except the not-for-profit organisations?

Is it wrong to seek profits? Do you like to leave money in the bank account and not being paid for it, while the banks make money? Or you rather have it in a savings account and make a little bit too?

Back on topic, please.





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